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| Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | When a film has been colourised it often gets included on the same disc as the original black and white version. When this is done, should we follow the new Box Set Rule...
“Discs with more than one movie on a single side should be entered as one profile per movie. Use a disc ID profile, and as many disc ID alternate profiles as required.”
…and now provide a separate profile for both versions?
Anyone given this any thought?
I've been watching several Laurel & Hardy shorts recently and many of these discs have perhaps six on one side of a single disc; and some include both B&W and colourised versions of the same film, which got me to thinking about this.
(I also lose sleep wondering when does a short become a movie and quality for it's own profile anyway, as opposed to them all being included in the primary profile like TV episodes or short cartoons, but that's a different issue.) | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would simply tick both the "Black & White" and "Colorized" checkboxes, and leave it at that. If it's exactly the same content, with exactly the same credits, I don't see the need for child profiles. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,672 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I would simply tick both the "Black & White" and "Colorized" checkboxes, and leave it at that. If it's exactly the same content, with exactly the same credits, I don't see the need for child profiles. I agree. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agreed. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agreed as well | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello.
Thanks for your thoughts and opinions. I'm inclined to agree, but I know some people feel the Rules should to be followed very thoroughly. | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpikyCactus: Quote:
Hello.
Thanks for your thoughts and opinions. I'm inclined to agree, but I know some people feel the Rules should to be followed very thoroughly. That would be following the rules exactly, as they say (per your OP), “Discs with more than one movie on a single side should be entered as one profile per movie." Colorization does not make a movie a different movie. --------------- |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting SpikyCactus:
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Hello.
Thanks for your thoughts and opinions. I'm inclined to agree, but I know some people feel the Rules should to be followed very thoroughly.
That would be following the rules exactly, as they say (per your OP), “Discs with more than one movie on a single side should be entered as one profile per movie."
Colorization does not make a movie a different movie.
--------------- Are yes but... the Rule doesn't say anything about the movies having to be different. Also, we frequently profile identical movies separately; (BD and DVD copies in the same case, for example). | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpikyCactus: Quote:
Are yes but... the Rule doesn't say anything about the movies having to be different. If it's the same movie then it's not "movies", it's the same "one movie". --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Combo packs have their own exception in the rules. Colorized movies do not. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting SpikyCactus:
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Are yes but... the Rule doesn't say anything about the movies having to be different.
If it's the same movie then it's not "movies", it's the same "one movie".
--------------- Perhaps. I guess it depends on how you define "movie". Fortunately, until I come across a colourised one with additional, included credits to cover the process, I'll hopefully not have to worry too much about coming down with a bout of IRFS (Invelos Rule Frustration Syndrome) and start to pull out my spines! Thanks for your thoughts.  | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| | Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 274 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand your confusion, "more than one movie" taken literally, is equivalent to saying "two or more movies".
But that's not exactly what the box set rule-writers intended, rather it was "two or more DIFFERENT movies".
I can't help but feel there was an implicit assumption by the rule-writers that the phrase "more than one movie", meaning different movies, would be understood by readers, even years after it was written.
Unfortunately, this has not been the case and it is not surprising to find many people, including myself, initially thrown by the ambiguous phrase.
Just remember "more than one movie" in the box set rules really means two or more different movies, and you can't go wrong.
What do we really mean by what is a movie? Each movie has its own unique original camera negative. If two versions share the same original camera negative then they are the same movie.
Colorized and B&W versions of a single movie are NOT considered different movies (they share the same original camera negative), its actually, from DVD Profiler's point of view, the same movie with different color formats.
Take the advice of the above experienced users, it will save you a lot of work and you will lose fewer spines :-).
P.S.
By the way, the definition of a short feature can be found in the current 91st Academy Awards eligibility rules:
https://www.oscars.org/oscars/rules-eligibility
Click "Complete Rules" and navigate to Rule Nineteen (Short Film Awards) and you will find the definition, namely:
"A short film is defined as an original motion picture that has a running time of 40 minutes or less, including all credits."
Also note Rule 2, which defines a feature length movie as over 40 minutes. |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 527 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
I understand your confusion, "more than one movie" taken literally, is equivalent to saying "two or more movies".
But that's not exactly what the box set rule-writers intended, rather it was "two or more DIFFERENT movies".
I can't help but feel there was an implicit assumption by the rule-writers that the phrase "more than one movie", meaning different movies, would be understood by readers, even years after it was written.
Unfortunately, this has not been the case and it is not surprising to find many people, including myself, initially thrown by the ambiguous phrase.
Just remember "more than one movie" in the box set rules really means two or more different movies, and you can't go wrong.
What do we really mean by what is a movie? Each movie has its own unique original camera negative. If two versions share the same original camera negative then they are the same movie.
Colorized and B&W versions of a single movie are NOT considered different movies (they share the same original camera negative), its actually, from DVD Profiler's point of view, the same movie with different color formats.
Take the advice of the above experienced users, it will save you a lot of work and you will lose fewer spines :-).
P.S.
By the way, the definition of a short feature can be found in the current 91st Academy Awards eligibility rules:
https://www.oscars.org/oscars/rules-eligibility
Click "Complete Rules" and navigate to Rule Nineteen (Short Film Awards) and you will find the definition, namely:
"A short film is defined as an original motion picture that has a running time of 40 minutes or less, including all credits."
Also note Rule 2, which defines a feature length movie as over 40 minutes. Wow, that's such an awesome answer! Thank you so much for taking the time to write it.  | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
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