Parsec
I hope i am wrong but it sounds to me like you are proposing to circumvent the rules. The data is to come from locations designated within the rules for contributions to profiler. This does not include user imagined or interpreted data. A plan Duch as you seem to propose would damage the database, in effect you would have One set of users following the rules and another set refusing to follow them... What a mess that would. I know there are users who believe that they have the ability to KNOW what the data should be, or think they can. IMDb is already a database which allows users to interpret the data

No thank you. We alreDy know that cast and crew can vary from release to release, and locality to locality. Just follow the rules.

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No thank you. We already know that cast and crew can vary from release to release, and locality to locality.

I have to agree with you here as I was never a fan of the copy & paste cast and crew from other profiles. You are right that they can vary depending of the locality, by exemple in my DVD of From Dusk Till Dawn the actors role and crew fonction are written in french and I'm sure the others releases aren't.

I know Ken approve this method but that just doesn't make sense to me. Using this method just seem against all the preciseness required usually by the rules. It isn't that hard or long to do a complete profile, I do it for everything I own and I'm not dead.

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I actually think he is proposing doing what T!M does...

and by doing so he inserts a lot of false data... this is even forbidden by the rules to do the cast/crew of a profile when you don't own a DVD to get a visual confirmation. But that will always be a problem untill the software request to have the dvd in the computer to contribute some fields of a profile.

Btw, if you clone and verify the data accuracy as i have described, please tell us that in your.notes.  Dont simply say you cloned the data from this or that title.

Well then parsec you are flat out wrong on all counts. I repeat follow the ruled, we are not interested in what you think is correct, that had its place and it is not online. We use only hard data from the film source and that is known, you can disagree all you want but the facts are,  that the data can vary from release to release, region to regiandlocality to locality. This has been seees the last 12 years, does it happen often no. But the only way to protect the datas integrity is as i previously outlined. For one yo claim otherwise is just simply...I wont say it.

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Well then parsec you are flat out wrong on all counts. I repeat follow the ruled, we are not interested in what you think is correct, that had its place and it is not online. We use only hard data from the film source and that is known, you can disagree all you want but the facts are,  that the data can vary from release to release, region to regiandlocality to locality. This has been seees the last 12 years, does it happen often no. But the only way to protect the datas integrity is as i previously outlined. For one yo claim otherwise is just simply...I wont say it.

Well if people in this forum are not interested in what other people think, then goodbye, I'll leave these forums as of now.

Cya all, was fun. I'll leave you with you're friends who don't even bother contributing profiles any more.

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Well if people in this forum are not interested in what other people think, then goodbye, I'll leave these forums as of now.

Cya all, was fun. I'll leave you with you're friends who don't even bother contributing profiles any more.

Don't go!  The newer members need a champion!  I think you raise lots of questions and issues in the forums that I’m too lazy, scared or time-limited to raise; I’m glad you do.  As a relative newcomer, who wasn’t around in the ‘old days’, I find a lot of the ‘forum consensus rules’ or ‘accepted normal practice’ somewhat difficult to locate and interpret. 

The problems mostly seem to stem from the interpretation of some of the Rules that simply aren’t clear, are out of date in relation to disc technology/marketing, don’t reflect what some people feel is common sense or what they’d like the database to collect details about, or the formal and hierarchical importance and relationship between crew roles.  As someone who ‘wastes’ too much of his time at work correcting user inputted data in databases, I have a huge amount of sympathy for those people here who stick to the “if it doesn’t exactly say you can contribute that then you can’t” school of thought.  And I know some people can appear very rude or dismissive at times, which isn’t nice, but I’d rather people cared enough to have strong feelings than not be bothered; and of course it’s only those that are bothered that tend to post a lot in forums, so when they don’t agree things can get quite vociferous.

We have a problem in that the Rules aren’t always precise enough and despite the forum area for people to discuss changes to them, they happen infrequently and not in large numbers.  Far from ideal but that’s how it is.  Unfortunately, a lot of the more heated disagreements come down to common sense vs the Rules ones , where the Rules can be argued don’t really reflect what most people would like them to reflect.  Letting common sense or personal interpretations into the database will mean it’s not consistent (so it starts to become a bit of a database of option rather than fact); but if the Rules are applied fully then the database would be more consistent but probably not so reflective of the complexities of real world.  (There’s a classic example in another thread at present about whether a “Creative Make-up Design” credit should be contributed as something or not.  The Rules answer is clearly no, but in many other ways the answer is clearly yes.) 

These days if I’m not 100% sure about a detail in a contribution I’m making, I’ll do a search to try and see if it’s been discussed in the past.  If I can’t find anything then I contribute it with a note to identify the grey area, so that those that vote can decide for themselves.  I don’t often raise things here, partly as I don’t have time and partly as many things end up no clearer afterwards.  If I get any No votes at anytime about anything else, I normally go and investigate the issues the No vote relates to; more often than not it’s valid and I can withdraw my contribution, change it and resubmit it.

I bet Internet forums on Vulcan are really dull!

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Well if people in this forum are not interested in what other people think, then goodbye, I'll leave these forums as of now.

Cya all, was fun. I'll leave you with you're friends who don't even bother contributing profiles any more.

Don't believe that the most vocal posters necessarily represent the opinion of the majority of users. I, for one, appreciate the questions you raise and the work you do here (particularly when it comes to helping new contributors).

Keep posting, keep contributing and ignore the bullies.

Agree with all of this. Winston's insecure bullying is most definitely not a reflection of most posters here. While I don't agree with the opinions of some here, it's generally a pretty respectful place until Winston rears his head, and then all respect goes out the window.

Definitely stick around. I enjoy the questions you bring up, as well, and the (generally) pleasant discussions that follow.