I've recently found it necessary to vote "no" to several contributions that do not follow the Invelos Contribution Rules. These contributions are an attempt to use information from the front cover of a previous release to populate the Original Title field of a subsequent release. The contributor has updated his contribution notes (in at least one case) to the following:

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*Updated Notes*
Added original title, from the original US release.

I have to point out that the no-voters are mistaken: this is not about the entire show's original title, but about this particular season's original title. The season indicator is an integral part of both title fields. This addition is needed to ensure that all versions of this season, accross the various regions and localities, are all counted as *one* single title in the CLT.

The rules themselves have little to say about Original Titles, but they do make it clear that any original title should come "from the film's credits".  There is no such thing an an original "season title" per the rules.

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Original Title
The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title.
In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.

Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.  i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field.

Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release.  For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:

      *Title: There's Something More About Mary
      *Original Title: There's Something About Mary

Neither the Box Sets section nor the TV Series section of the rules say anything about Original Titles in these special cases.  This contributor seems to be using his desire to "fix" the CLT as an excuse to violate the contribution rules.  What are your thoughts? Am I mistaken, or not?

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The wording of the poll is incomplete. Nobody argues about the original title of movies. It's the TV series that need a fix. Film ≠ TV series.

Quoting Nosferatu:

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It's hard to know what to say without knowing the titles in question.

Why?  It's a box set containing one season of a television series.  The contribution is attempting to put the title of a prior release into the Original Title field of this subsequent release.

e.g.

Title: Series: Season Four
Original Title: Series: The Complete Fourth Season

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Quoting scotthm:

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Quoting Nosferatu:

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It's hard to know what to say without knowing the titles in question.

Why?  It's a box set containing one season of a television series.  The contribution is attempting to put the title of a prior release into the Original Title field of this subsequent release.

e.g.

Title: Series: Season Four
Original Title: Series: The Complete Fourth Season

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It helps to search within a database containing TV series/seasons from different localities and released at different times, then having a 'standard' title for that TV series makes sense. I wouldn't object to it.

Quoting paulb_99:

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Shouldn't the original title of a TV Series just be the title of the show without any season/series info?

If you were going to contribute an Original Title that's how I think it would have to be, because that's the only title that would appear in the credits.

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Quoting huskersports:

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Bad idea. That would make, for example, all 7 seasons of 30 Rock, ONE credit when using the CLT.

So?  Why does that matter?

If the person is John Doe (Jack Doe) or Jack Doe (John Doe) what does it matter, as long as we're all on the same page.  The two names still link together.

Besides, I didn't say we should start using Original Titles for television series, just that if we did that's the form the rules would require.

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Each season is 1 credit, not each series.

Why?  Why not make each episode one credit?  Or each series?  What difference would any of that have made in our quest to link names together?

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Quoting scotthm:

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what does it matter, as long as we're all on the same page

This thread is going a bit OT, but I'll just agree with you. I had a similar argument here many years ago. I feel that we should just use the CLT. I feel that the idea of "common name" has been largely misunderstood. It doesn't have to be "the most common name", as long as everybody uses the same method of determining the linking name, i.e. the CLT.

So yeah, it would be nice if we were all on the same page. But I guess that ship sailed a long time ago ... 

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Quoting huske:rsports

Bad idea. That would make, for example, all 7 seasons of 30 Rock, ONE credit when using the CLT. Each season is 1 credit, not each series. Another example, if The Incredible Hulk's first season were released as The Incredible Hulk: Season 1 in it's country of origin (USA), but released as The Incredible Hulk: Season One overseas, then adding an original title of The Incredible Hulk: Season 1 is appropriate to link the 2 together as 1 credit. I mean, we all agree that Season 1 and Season One are the same season/credit! TV series/seasons, in my opinion, should be treated differently original title-wise.

Individual season profiles would have different produced years. Giving you 7 credits with the original title as 30 Rock.  Would only be 1 credit for complete series (but that would only be a handful).

example Actor X credited in 1 episode in each season 7 & 8

Actor X  11 titles 20 profiles

Monk: The Complete Series  2002
Monk - Saison 8 (Monk: Season Eight) 2009 5-050582-767858
Monk: 8. Staffel (Monk: Season 8) 2009 5-050582-844191
Monk: 8. Staffel (Monk: Season 8) 2009 5-050582-831863
Monk: 8. Staffel (Monk: Season 8) 2009 Disc: 53C0-C0B8-5A08-B419
Monk: 8. Staffel: Disc 1 (Monk: Season 8: Disc 1) 2009 Disc: 53C0-C0B8-5A08-B419
Monk: Season Eight 2009 5-050582-767872
Monk: Season Eight 2009 025192-043642
Monk: Season Eight: Disc 1 2009 Disc: 9238-56AE-590E-5D7C
Monk: Season Eight: Disc One 2009 Disc: 34AC-FA3F-D255-A0FB
Monk - Saison 7 (Monk: Season Seven) 2008 5-050582-721959
Monk: 7. Staffel (Monk: Season Seven) 2008 5-050582-844184
Monk: 7. Staffel (Monk: Season Seven) 2008 5-050582-768527
Monk: 7. Staffel (Monk: Season Seven) 2008 Disc: 980F-C710-5324-2811
Monk: 7. Staffel: Disc 1 (Monk: Season 7: Disc 1) 2008 Disc: 980F-C710-5324-2811
Monk: Saison 7 (Monk: Season Seven) 2008 5-050582-723274
Monk: Season Seven 2008 025195-050272
Monk: Season Seven 2008 5-050582-614459
Monk: Season Seven: Disc 1 2008 Disc: B13B-E6E0-E130-A283
Monk: Season Seven: Disc One 2008 Disc: F566-1396-47B4-59FC

Actor X 3 titles 20 profiles

Monk: The Complete Series (Monk)  2002
Monk - Saison 8 (Monk) 2009 5-050582-767858
Monk: 8. Staffel (Monk) 2009 5-050582-844191
Monk: 8. Staffel (Monk) 2009 5-050582-831863
Monk: 8. Staffel (Monk) 2009 Disc: 53C0-C0B8-5A08-B419
Monk: 8. Staffel: Disc 1 (Monk) 2009 Disc: 53C0-C0B8-5A08-B419
Monk: Season Eight (Monk) 2009 5-050582-767872
Monk: Season Eight (Monk) 2009 025192-043642
Monk: Season Eight: Disc 1 (Monk) 2009 Disc: 9238-56AE-590E-5D7C
Monk: Season Eight: Disc One (Monk)  2009 Disc: 34AC-FA3F-D255-A0FB
Monk - Saison 7 (Monk) 2008 5-050582-721959
Monk: 7. Staffel (Monk) 2008 5-050582-844184
Monk: 7. Staffel (Monk) 2008 5-050582-768527
Monk: 7. Staffel (Monk) 2008 Disc: 980F-C710-5324-2811
Monk: 7. Staffel: Disc 1 (Monk) 2008 Disc: 980F-C710-5324-2811
Monk: Saison 7 (Monk) 2008 5-050582-723274
Monk: Season Seven (Monk) 2008 025195-050272
Monk: Season Seven (Monk) 2008 5-050582-614459
Monk: Season Seven: Disc 1 (Monk) 2008 Disc: B13B-E6E0-E130-A283
Monk: Season Seven: Disc One (Monk) 2008 Disc: F566-1396-47B4-59FC