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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,675 |
| | Posted: | | | | This part of the rules has often been quoted: Quote:
Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database. For example, contributions that only re-order the information within a certain section should not be submitted. These unnecessary changes are highlighted in the rules. But what I would like to know is - where in the rules are those unnecessary changes actually highlighted? It must refer to something more than the example in the same quote, but I can't find anything. What am I missing? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only one, I'm aware of are the genresQuote:
Genres are often a matter of personal interpretation, which can differ among users. If your personal preference for Genre differs from the main database, you can store the information you prefer in your local database and lock the Genre field from further updates. Do not make contributions that only change or re-order Genres, unless the existing Genre list is blatantly incorrect. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Before You Contribute
Before changing a profile and making a contribution, there are some things that you should consider.
Before editing an existing profile, make sure you have refreshed it from the online database so that you are starting with the latest version.
Read the prior Contribution Notes. They will give you information about contributions that other users have made. There are two specific things that you need to be particularly aware of:
Have other users verified discrepancies between the cover and the actual disc information? If so do not contribute the incorrect box information again.
Are there pending contributions from other users, which have yet to be evaluated by Invelos screeners? If so, you need to ensure that your contribution will not overwrite pending corrections with incorrect information again. Or are you duplicating the contribution that is pending, just contributing the same information again?
Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database. For example, contributions that only re-order the information within a certain section should not be submitted. These unnecessary changes are highlighted in the rules. Please do not make a separate contribution for them; however, they may be acceptable if you are making wider corrections to a profile.
Studios occasionally re-release titles with the same UPC/EAN, but with changed content – for example Cover Images, Case Type and Overview. Subsequent releases are entered with an alternate version UPC/EAN. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,675 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
The only one, I'm aware of are the genres
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Genres are often a matter of personal interpretation, which can differ among users. If your personal preference for Genre differs from the main database, you can store the information you prefer in your local database and lock the Genre field from further updates. Do not make contributions that only change or re-order Genres, unless the existing Genre list is blatantly incorrect. Well, that's not exactly the same thing. The "unnecessary changes" rules talks about changes that may be acceptable if you are making wider corrections to a profile. The rule you quoted talks about non-acceptable changes. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | No that is one of the examples if you read the rule and not just skim it... it says "Do not make contributions that only change or re-order Genres, unless the existing Genre list is blatantly incorrect." | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,675 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
No that is one of the examples if you read the rule and not just skim it... it says "Do not make contributions that only change or re-order Genres, unless the existing Genre list is blatantly incorrect." Well, that rule isn't exactly clear. Reordering is already covered in the example in the original quote, so that leaves changing genres. So does this mean that it's OK to change genres in a wider contribution even if the current genres are not blatantly incorrect? Could be, but that seems to be an invitation to ping-ponging genres, something that I'm sure Ken would like to avoid. But hey, for the sake of the argument, let's say that this does indeed fall under the "unnecessary changes" rule. You state it is " one of the examples". So there are others, then? If so, which are they? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, there's this: Quote:
Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP. That and the aforementioned comments on genres - that's pretty much it. To me personally, it's pretty simple: I welcome every change that makes a profile better. "Better" may be hard to define, but it certainly includes correcting something that is incorrect per the rules into something that is correct per the rules. Doing so can't possibly be deemed "unnecessary". |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,675 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Well, there's this:
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Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP.
That and the aforementioned comments on genres - that's pretty much it.
To me personally, it's pretty simple: I welcome every change that makes a profile better. "Better" may be hard to define, but it certainly includes correcting something that is incorrect per the rules into something that is correct per the rules. Doing so can't possibly be deemed "unnecessary". Well, there is nothing in the rule you quoted that says that it's ok to make that change within a wider contribution, so it doesn't fall under the "unnecessary changes" rule. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Doing so can't possibly be deemed "unnecessary". I think making changes to profiles of discs you don't have in your possession is "unnecessary". --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well since Ken himself said that was fine to do you can not use that alone as a reason. It is not a thing I do... or particularly agree with. But it is allowed here. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Well since Ken himself said that was fine to do you can not use that alone as a reason. I didn't say disallowed, I said unnecessary. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | for certain profiles... especially in certain regions I can see it being necessary. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,675 |
| | Posted: | | | | This thread is about changes that are only allowed in a wider contribution, so let's keep on topic.
The reason I started this thread was that I am trying to understand what Ken had in mind when he wrote "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database". He says that these changes are highlighted in the rules. Well, apart from the re-order example I can only see one other example in the rules, and I'm not sure I would call it highlighted either.
If those two were the only examples that Ken had in mind at the time he wrote that "Make sure" paragraph, it would have been so much easier to just list them both right there and be done with it. And for me, the word "significant" just adds to the confusion. It's not just "add value", but "add significant value". The placement of this rule, and its phrasing, makes it sound as if this is really important to Ken, and then it is just supposed to apply to these two seemingly rather insignificant changes?
Well, the rule is the rule, and we should follow it as written, but am I the only one who finds this really confusing? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | No you are not the only one. Especially since significant is so subjective. What is significant to you is going to be different then what is significant to me... which is going to be different then what is to the next person.
I know there was others... but convinced Ken to remove the note of a larger contribution needed. For example it used to also be alternate disc ids needed a larger contribution but we found it difficult to collect all the alternate disc ids and have a larger contribution. So we convinced Ken to change it. So who knows... after all these years those few are all that are left in the rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: This post inaccurately states contribution policy, and has been removed in order to prevent user confusion. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
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