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Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,279 |
| Posted: | | | | We currently have Profiles for 'The X-Files' filed under both 'The X-Files' and 'The X Files'. I'm sure some of us came to an agreement over what the actual Title should be (conclusion: The X-Files) although I can no longer find the relevant thread. Most releases have 'The X-Files' as the Title, but do they need an Original Title of 'The X Files'? The actual Title given on-screen is 'The X Files' with a circle around the X, similar to what's given on the front of the packaging. But the rest of the packaging always (as far as I can tell) uses the 'The X-Files'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Fileshttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106179/I'm asking, what should we enter in the Title/Original Title fields to keep these Profiles linking together correctly? |
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Registered: January 20, 2008 | Posts: 37 |
| Posted: | | | | It is my understanding of the rule, that the title field should reflect the title as it is given on the front cover, and as you said, the title there is "The X Files", without a dash, but with a circle around the "X". As such, the title used really should be "The X Files", without a need for the Original Title.
However, you're also right that covers usually refer to the show as "The X-Files" in overviews and copyright fields. If that is enough to let it take precedence as the cover title then "The X Files" should be used as Original Title, since there is still no dash on the on screen title screen. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Strictly per the rules the rest of the cover (or any other source) don't matter. Other then the clarification of when to use possessives the rules say we must take the title from the front cover alone. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Strictly per the rules the rest of the cover (or any other source) don't matter. Other then the clarification of when to use possessives the rules say we must take the title from the front cover alone. Then how do we know these aren't "The Ox Files"? --------------- |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Strictly per the rules the rest of the cover (or any other source) don't matter. Other then the clarification of when to use possessives the rules say we must take the title from the front cover alone. If symbols are included, there is a possibility: Quote: For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence. Use these to determine whether to exclude or convert the symbol to a standard character such as ".", "-", or "*" ... and, since the circled X seems to be a symbol, I'd tend to ask the credit block... Fortunately - for this question - the German title is Akte X without any possibility to create a dash | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | That is actually a rule I forgot about... thank you for the reminder. for you! my vote changed. Edit: Apparently not letting me change my vote. So I vote The X-Files (no original title needed) | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Checked the credit block of an US release, and changed my vote either. Though I'm not sure about the original title field. At the end of the credits (on screen) the title is shown without a dash, which contradicts the credit block on the back cover Edit: Same around here - no possibility to change the vote. Pls. subtract another one from the X Files votes... | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
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Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | Corrected. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks Ken... so is my vote. | | | Pete |
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Registered: January 20, 2008 | Posts: 37 |
| Posted: | | | | There is no credit block on any of my UK releases, just references to the title throughout the overview and sometimes in the small copyright text at the bottom.
However, if that is considered to be a credit block, then "The X Files" must be used as Original Title since, as AiAustria pointed out, there is no dash in the on screen title, nor at the end of the on screen credits. |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting cartman76: Quote: There is no credit block on any of my UK releases, just references to the title throughout the overview and sometimes in the small copyright text at the bottom.
However, if that is considered to be a credit block, then "The X Files" must be used as Original Title since, as AiAustria pointed out, there is no dash in the on screen title, nor at the end of the on screen credits. It is selective rule interpretation. None of the TV episodes have a dash in the on screen title. But some of the season release covers have a X inside a circle with a dash following. In this case there is no dash on the front cover and no dash in the on screen episode credits. So any vote other than The X Files for both title fields is a personal preference. Another case of the lack of knowledge and direction will over rule correct data. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote: It is selective rule interpretation.
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Another case of the lack of knowledge and direction ... Thanks for getting personal | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | To make it a little bit more complex: I searched for the registered trademarks for applying word marks. The word mark "The X-Files" was registered for Twentieth Century Fox but canceled in 2007 (75014247). The word mark "The X Files" is registered for Twentieth Century Fox and currently valid (75014248). Both of them show the same graphic logo. The word mark "X-Files" is registered for Twentieth Century Fox and currently valid (75014241) without a graphical reference. I'd assume the imprint on the back cover depend on the release date... | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | So the following rule... Quote: For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence. Use these to determine whether to exclude or convert the symbol to a standard character such as ".", "-", or "*" ...is being misinterpreted. This rule does not say to use the title from the credit block if there is a symbol on the front cover, it says to check the credit block to "determine whether to exclude or convert the symbol to a standard character." The symbol on the front cover is an 'X' inside of a circle. The credit block tells me that it should be converted to the standard character 'X', giving us "The X Files". The only way it can be entered as 'The X-Files' is if you believe that the 'X' inside of a circle really means 'X-'. Does anybody here really believe that is the case? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: The only way it can be entered as 'The X-Files' is if you believe that the 'X' inside of a circle really means 'X-'. Does anybody here really believe that is the case? When Fox isn't displaying the "X" with a circle around it they seem to be displaying it as "X-", so someone with Fox seems to think the answer is "yes". --------------- |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: The only way it can be entered as 'The X-Files' is if you believe that the 'X' inside of a circle really means 'X-'. Does anybody here really believe that is the case? When Fox isn't displaying the "X" with a circle around it they seem to be displaying it as "X-", so someone with Fox seems to think the answer is "yes". --------------- I doubt, very seriously, that anybody from FOX even considered it when designing the logo but nice try. As with most cover art, it is a pretty sure bet that none of the studios considered the invelos rules when creating the titles. I'm sorry, but it is a stretch to claim that a circled X equals 'X-'. 'OX', maybe. 'XO', possibly. But 'X-'? I don't think so. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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