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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | A little help please.... I would like to know how this release should be done per the Invelos rules. There is definitely something wrong with it... but not 100% sure how to fix it to be honest. It is a release with the Blu-ray 3D. Blu-ray and DVD. Right now it is set up almost like a box set... except the parent profile also has all info in it.... but it has child profiles for all 3 discs. Question is how should it be done. It is not a box set per rules as there is not multiple films. Per the rules it should be set up similar to the bonus film rules... Hi-Def format as parent to other formats. So should it be... Blu-ray 3D (Parent) ---- Blu-ray ---- DVD or Blu-ray (Parent) ---- Blu-ray 3D ---- DVD or does the Blu-ray discs both go to the same profile as they are both the high def versions... Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D (Parent) ---- DVD My initial thoughts is the first one... Quote: Blu-ray 3D (Parent) ---- Blu-ray ---- DVD But as I said... not entirely sure how it should be done.... thoughts? | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Blu-ray 3D (Parent) ---- Blu-ray ---- DVD
This. It first states it's a Blu-ray 3D title, making it the 'Parent', so it should have all the features of all the discs, including the Discs IDs as well as Blu-ray 3D/ Blu-ray / DVD The Children should have the Disc IDs (Or alternates if need be) as the Profile ID, and only the information on those disc(s) should be included in those profiles There are plenty of other 3D Blu-ray Combos that you could take a look at for clarification. However, there have been some releases where the primary title was the 2D version, and the 3D title was the child, that should be determined by the packaging. But in my experience the 3D is usually the parent. They are not Bonus films, they should be handled the same way as other Blu-ray 3D sets. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Indeed:
Blu-ray 3D (Parent) ---- Blu-ray ---- DVD | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | That's how I would do it as well. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | So it is how I was thinking. Thanks. Also... if I remember correctly... since everyone does not use the child profiles for these releases... All info from all discs (include any extras or what have you) that is only on child profile(s) is also added to the parent profile. Am I right about this? | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: ...
They are not Bonus films, they should be handled the same way as other Blu-ray 3D sets. I know they are not bonus films. I never said they were. all I said was... Quote: Per the rules it should be set up similar to the bonus film rules... Hi-Def format as parent to other formats. I don't have a 3D Blu-ray player or 3D TV... so don't have any other set like this one. Only reason I have this one is that I found it at a local used shop yesterday for only $4! | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I know they are not bonus films. I never said they were. all I said was...
Sorry, didn't mean to imply you did, I wasn't sure what you knew, was just trying to clarify. Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I don't have a 3D Blu-ray player or 3D TV... so don't have any other set like this one. Only reason I have this one is that I found it at a local used shop yesterday for only $4! Nice steal! Sorry, I just meant you could have looked for other profiles like it on the online Db. I also wasn't trying to suggest you shouldn't ask questions, I was happy enough to try and help as best I could. Merry Christmas! | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Also... if I remember correctly... since everyone does not use the child profiles for these releases... All info from all discs (include any extras or what have you) that is only on child profile(s) is also added to the parent profile. Am I right about this? Well, the rules do contain this sentence (bottom of the Box Sets section): A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. So in this case, it doesn't seem you're right. Not entirely sure though, because this sentence could be read to refer to the film details only rather than disc features. However, I would be inclined to list the features on the "main" profile disc only. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I know they are not bonus films. I never said they were. all I said was...
Sorry, didn't mean to imply you did, I wasn't sure what you knew, was just trying to clarify.
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I don't have a 3D Blu-ray player or 3D TV... so don't have any other set like this one. Only reason I have this one is that I found it at a local used shop yesterday for only $4! Nice steal! Sorry, I just meant you could have looked for other profiles like it on the online Db. I also wasn't trying to suggest you shouldn't ask questions, I was happy enough to try and help as best I could. Merry Christmas! All good... I was actually just trying to clarify myself. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: Also... if I remember correctly... since everyone does not use the child profiles for these releases... All info from all discs (include any extras or what have you) that is only on child profile(s) is also added to the parent profile. Am I right about this?
Well, the rules do contain this sentence (bottom of the Box Sets section): A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile.
So in this case, it doesn't seem you're right. Not entirely sure though, because this sentence could be read to refer to the film details only rather than disc features. However, I would be inclined to list the features on the "main" profile disc only. The reason I (as well as Danae Cassandra) was thinking it maybe it should be is because the rules also say Quote: Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile. Making it sound like the child profiles (like for TV Series sets) are optional.... so all info for the entire set should be in the parent profile for those that choose not to download the child profiles. But as I said... we are not sure either. Rules on this subject are confusing at best. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Making it sound like the child profiles (like for TV Series sets) are optional.... so all info for the entire set should be in the parent profile for those that choose not to download the child profiles. But as I said... we are not sure either. Rules on this subject are confusing at best. The children are absolutely optional, That is why the parent contains all of the information for all of the discs. (& Children) The Children should only contain the information on the discs themselves. Agreed, like many of the rules, it is very confusing. Especially when seeing it for the first time. As with many situations knowing what to do doesn't come directly from the rules. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Confusion arises when the DVD in such combo sets contains disc features which the (3D) blu-ray doesn't. There's no question the DVD child profiles are optional, but that's where clarity stops. It all depends on which "details" the following rule is referring to:
"A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile."
Film details or disc details (as in disc features)? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I think I agree with DoubluDown. I have always understood it to mean "film details". Because the child profile is optional, any bonus features should be listed in the main profile. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I see it the same way as DoubleDown and TheMadMartian. It is what makes the most sense to me. Unfortunately the rules don't always follow what makes the most sense (at least not what makes the most sense to me). But I think that is how I need to update the profile, between going by the way I read the rules and this thread. Once I get the chance that is. Working retail this time of the year takes all your extra time! | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't think it's really clear-cut. Today I was editing a blu-ray combo release in which the blu-ray disc had no features whatsoever, but the DVD (apparently from an earlier DVD release) did, including scene access.
If I were to put everything in the main profile, people would be wrongly led to believe the blu-ray disc has scene access, while in fact it doesn't. That just feels wrong to me.
To me, the problem with your (Pete's and The Martian's) approach seems to be that not all features are created equally: some features relate to bonus contents, and then there is no problem, but others (e.g. scene access, commentary) are more like characteristics of the main feature film, and then I do see problems with your position, in case the blu-ray contains less of these "features" than the DVD. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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