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Registered: May 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 516 |
| Posted: | | | | Hello
What do I enter correct into the database if a director is written in
Start Credits: ERIC LARTIGAU End Credits: Éric Lartigau
For me it should be the start credits how I enter it, correct? | | | * 3D TV Panasonic TX-P65VT30J + Blu-ray Player Panasonic DMP-BDT500 My Filmcollection online: www.filmkino.ch * |
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Registered: January 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,617 |
| Posted: | | | | I would take the end credits.
The rules state something similar about cast credits: For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.
I know this does not mean to handle crew the same way, but for me end credits stand above start credits. | | | Think different
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Registered: May 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 516 |
| Posted: | | | | As far as I know we take the Crew from film start credits and only the additional Crew not in start credits from end credits. Cast is all from end credits, when normal credited. | | | * 3D TV Panasonic TX-P65VT30J + Blu-ray Player Panasonic DMP-BDT500 My Filmcollection online: www.filmkino.ch * |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | I'd decide this from case to case, using the following criterias: - If one of the credits is a typo, I wouldn't use it (does not apply here). - If the credited person has an official website and one of the credits match the name used there, I'd use it (doen't apply either). - If there is an international Wikipedia entry... - If there is an national Wikipedia entry (here we have: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Lartigau) with a matching name -> Éric Lartigau, I'd use this. - If there is an already established Common name, I'd use it... - If nothing else makes a decision, I'd use the CLT - which, unfortunately, contradicts the Wikipedia in this case: Eric Lartigau 19/41 vs. Éric Lartigau 1/1 | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation: | Posts: 694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ninso4: Quote: I would take the end credits.
The rules state something similar about cast credits: For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.
I know this does not mean to handle crew the same way, but for me end credits stand above start credits. +1 Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
- If nothing else makes a decision, I'd use the CLT - which, unfortunately, contradicts the Wikipedia in this case: Eric Lartigau 19/41 vs. Éric Lartigau 1/1 but in this case it's wrong. Les Infidèles 2012CLT listed him as Eric Lartigau for this movie. another case where is a Common Name Thread necessary. | | |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | That's why the CLT is my last resort. It tends to carry on errors and IMDB data very long...
But 19 titles against 1 is a rather reliable result, which would not make me starting a common name thread... | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: May 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 516 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: That's why the CLT is my last resort. It tends to carry on errors and IMDB data very long...
But 19 titles against 1 is a rather reliable result, which would not make me starting a common name thread... I agree, a common name thread is when the result is tied up. But more important is now about the Crew. I always take all Crew from film start credits, rest of Crew from film end credits when not credited in start credits. In the case here it is important as written in start credits with E and end Credits with É. Also the Producers in start credits have another order than in end credits. We really must fix this but I believe it was always the way as I did, start credits are for the Crew primary, end credits secondary. | | | * 3D TV Panasonic TX-P65VT30J + Blu-ray Player Panasonic DMP-BDT500 My Filmcollection online: www.filmkino.ch * |
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Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation: | Posts: 694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. opening credit is ERIC LARTIGAU, end credit is Éric Lartigau. so you can use the standard capitalization rules. -> Éric Lartigau. same for all other crew member. that's the way that i go. | | |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits.
In this case I would go with:
Eric Lartigau [Éric Lartigau] | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits. While I would love to be a contrarian, I do the same thing. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits.
In this case I would go with:
Eric Lartigau [Éric Lartigau] This. |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting emmeli: Quote: ...contradicts the Wikipedia in this case: Eric Lartigau 19/41 vs. Éric Lartigau 1/1 but in this case it's wrong. ... CLT listed him as Eric Lartigau for this movie. another case where is a Common Name Thread necessary Note that Éric Lartigau is exactly the same as Eric Lartigau. In this case, E=É=é (exactly as I=i though the . is apparent in i and not in I) There have never been any variant for this name in credits. What is the interest to create one, just to have fake names in CLT ? We are in front of a typographic choice, and we do not create variants for A or A or A | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,749 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits.
In this case I would go with:
Eric Lartigau [Éric Lartigau] I agree with Hal on this one. | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting emmeli:
Quote: ...contradicts the Wikipedia in this case: Eric Lartigau 19/41 vs. Éric Lartigau 1/1 but in this case it's wrong. ... CLT listed him as Eric Lartigau for this movie. another case where is a Common Name Thread necessary Note that Éric Lartigau is exactly the same as Eric Lartigau. In this case, E=É=é (exactly as I=i though the . is apparent in i and not in I)
There have never been any variant for this name in credits. What is the interest to create one, just to have fake names in CLT ? We are in front of a typographic choice, and we do not create variants for A or A or A This relies on language and location and can't be gerneralized. As long as there are different characters in the character set, they can't be named exactly the same, sorry. | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: As long as there are different characters in the character set, they can't be named exactly the same, sorry. That is why I gave the example of A, A and A. They are also typographic variants that are not exactly the same, but you do not create fake variants. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation: | Posts: 694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Note that Éric Lartigau is exactly the same as Eric Lartigau. In this case, E=É=é (exactly as I=i though the . is apparent in i and not in I)
false! right is E !=É=é and I=i. so Éric Lartigau is not the same as Eric Lartigau. Café != Coffee != Kaffee. <- it's the same drink, but is spelled differently. cheers emmeli | | |
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