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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | There has been a bit of a long running argument on here in the Steelbook collector community, what the image scans for Steelbooks should look like - some want to use the 'plain steel' image (as that is what a collector would display on the shelf), others want to follow the 'usual rule' and interpret a J-card or the paper that wraps around the case as a partial slip cover and should be included in the scan.
I've not seen *too* much falling out over rear covers being allowed to use the J-card or paper slip but I certainly have more than a few where one type is in the Db and any changes to the front scan are voted down by members of the opposing faction (resulting in no change as the Rules are not 100% clear and screeners go with the No votes)
We now have the opportunity to please both sides using the Variants capabilities but does (for example) a J-card with the Ratings on but other than that matching the Steel image underneath measure up to "Two or more releases of the same title with largely different cover images" or is that covered by the fact that the back cover *is* largely different? (Personally I think so)
I think it would be nice to say Yes we can use Variant Rules and keep both sides happy but it would be even better if that was explicit in the Rules for voting purposes.
Thoughts?... Preferrably avoiding 'Steelbook/Case Type' Collecting is stupid so who cares? | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | I voted for "No threy are not variants; use pplain steel for front, use J-card/paper wrap for rear to show information". With two spelling mistakes, it is clearly the proposal which is the more in the spirit of the rules... | | | Images from movies |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, here Ken spoke out against using variants if the only difference is the presence or lack of a slip cover. If a full slip cover doesn't qualify, I'm assuming that a "J-card" doesn't qualify either... |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | In my opinion the scans should duplicate how the package looked sitting on store shelves sans stickers.
So, if the J-card wraps around to the front then it should be included. |
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Registered: March 23, 2011 | Posts: 462 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: I voted for "No threy are not variants; use pplain steel for front, use J-card/paper wrap for rear to show information".
With two spelling mistakes, it is clearly the proposal which is the more in the spirit of the rules... How can you know they are spelling mistakes? How can you know his intention with that? |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | We need variant covers within a profile instead of variant new profiles, then we can have both and everyone can use the art they like best. As it is now, I don't think this qualifies for variant status, if'n I'm feeling the rule correctly. We'll see as I put in my first re-issue cover. Don't have many redos, but I do have a couple. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: In my opinion the scans should duplicate how the package looked sitting on store shelves sans stickers.
So, if the J-card wraps around to the front then it should be included. ^ this | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Well, here Ken spoke out against using variants if the only difference is the presence or lack of a slip cover. If a full slip cover doesn't qualify, I'm assuming that a "J-card" doesn't qualify either... The way I read that was Ken was assuming the slip had the same image as what was underneath; on steelbooks the rear of the slip is totally different as underneath there is no overview; no EAN etc so the it's not the presence or lack of a slip, it's the fact that the rear cover *does* differ totally. | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote: The way I read that was Ken was assuming the slip had the same image as what was underneath; on steelbooks the rear of the slip is totally different as underneath there is no overview; no EAN etc so the it's not the presence or lack of a slip, it's the fact that the rear cover *does* differ totally. Correct. If the cover is largely different, it qualifies. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: Quoting Voltaire53:
Quote: The way I read that was Ken was assuming the slip had the same image as what was underneath; on steelbooks the rear of the slip is totally different as underneath there is no overview; no EAN etc so the it's not the presence or lack of a slip, it's the fact that the rear cover *does* differ totally.
Correct. If the cover is largely different, it qualifies. That only prompts the question whether these steelbooks should be scanned with or without the J-card. As Voltaire53 indicates: the EAN/UPC and the overview are generally on that J-card, while the back of the steelbook is empty. First we need to agree on whether that J-card should be part of the scans. Only if you concede that including them is optional, a follow-up question arises that says: "well, can we then use variants to have both the version with the J-card, and the version without the J-card in the database?" | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Aren't variants intended to deal with different releases? Such as a re-release without slip cover? That doesn't seem to be the case here. IMHO what we need is just a clear instruction one way or the other, nothing more. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: Aren't variants intended to deal with different releases? Such as a re-release without slip cover? That doesn't seem to be the case here. IMHO what we need is just a clear instruction one way or the other, nothing more. Indeed. There's no re-release in play here - we're talking about one item, with one kind of packaging. There are just two camps that do and that don't want to include the J-card as part of the cover scan. That's the questions that needs to be answered. Previous poll here, nicely illustrating how divided people are over this. The poll results in this thread are a lot clearer... | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Ken said something about having another way with dealing with releases that had a slip cover initially and later without it. Hopefully this will fall into that, having the option to choose covers?
FWIW I'm in the camp of including the J-card (NOT A SLIPCOVER!!!) in the pics, but if the rule was to do it without it, that would be fine. I can see points for either or, just wish there was a clear rule in that regard. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 20 |
| Posted: | | | | For steelbooks i would like it best, if front and back could be contributed with AND without the JCover. I think the JCover ist important in the contrbution because it has the technical data, overview, UPC/EAN and other facts on it. But as a collector i would also like to have the backside without the JCover. Collectors buy the steelbooks, because they have nicer artwork on them and i would like to see that in DVDProfiler.
Has the possibilty ever been discussed to include multiple (at least 2) versions of the front- and backcover to a dvd profile? That yould be nice for steelbook and also for releases with a slipcover. Of course i understand that this would require changes to the dvdprofler software AND the database, but this could resolve the problem. |
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