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The Money Pit Questions
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninso4
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I have two questions about the credits for "The Money Pit".
How should the "Cheap Girls" be credited?
Credit the band, the band members or both?


After the actual cast and some crew (stunt) credits there are this credits:

All actors are credited before for other roles.
Should this credits be included?

I'm sure somebody can help. 
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How I would do it.

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How I would do it.

Tom Filiault, Doug Plavin, Chris Tuttle and Ed Vadas are not just credited as "The Fabulous Heavyweights" - instead, each name appears on the screen. Listing them as you did, implies that their names aren't shown, that they're only credited under the group's name. The way you've done it, their names will not show up in the CLT - again, according to your profile, only "The Fabulous Heavyweights" as a group are credited, and that's not accurate to the actual credits.

From the rules: "Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name." Well, Tom Filiault's name, and those of the others, doesn't differ from the credited names, so the "credited as" feature should not be used here.
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As for "The Construction Crew", they key is in this:

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All actors are credited before for other roles.

That's true. Each of these eight actors is already credited in the main cast list of the end credits, for playing the same role - only there, their characters actually get names. Matthew Coles is first credited as playing "Marty", and then further down, not as part of the cast, is credited again as part of this "The Construction Crew" group. Same for Afemo Omilami (first credited as "Bernie", then as part of this group) and so on for all others. Each of them is already credited for playing the same part.
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Thanks for giving your opinion.

Is it not evident that those 4 people are indeed the group called The Fabulous Heavyweights.
Due to the limitations of the program it's impossible to accurately duplicate these credits using dividers.

Being that the dividers seems to indicate that it would be used for the role only and not the cast members themselves I see no way to do it otherwise.

From the rules:
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Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".


Because if you do include all the cast under a group cast heading for "Cheap Girls" there really is no way to know that those individuals are actually members of the group "The Fabulous Heavyweights", is there?
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Is it not evident that those 4 people are indeed the group called The Fabulous Heavyweights.

It is, but the fact remains, that, say, Tom Filiault is credited as Tom Filiault, yet your entry says he isn't. "Tom Filiault credited as The Fabulous Heavyweights" is just not true. He isn't credited as "The Fabulous Heavyweights", he's credited as Tom Filiault. There's just no denying that. And what if one of these four people needed an actual common name?

Again, the rules say to "Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name." Well, Tom Filiault's name, and those of the others, doesn't differ from the credited names, so the "credited as" feature cannot be used here. Yes, it's unfortunate that we don't have nested dividers - this isn't the only place where we need 'em! - but that doesn't change the fact that Tom Filiault is credited as Tom Filiault. As such, "credited as" is simply not an option.

As for " I see no way to do it otherwise" - of course there is! There are several methods, and as always, we aren't going to reach a consensus. But "credited as" just doesn't apply here. I'll tell you what I'd do: in this particular case I would use a group divider called "Cheap Girls" with five cast entries under it: "The Fabulous Heavyweights" followed by those four names.
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How I would do it.



I agree.
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But aren't the individuals credited under a cast group divider?

Listing the group as a cast member when it's really a group heading doesn't really represent the true intent of the cast list.

Like you said, ideally nested group dividers would be used in this case.

Right now the closest we can get an idea how this would look is this....


Ideally when one clicks on either a person or a cast group divider it would be that they would appear under the "Cheap Girls" divider role since that's their role.

In order to do this I would think that how the divider is associated with would have to be selectable, be it cast or role.

For example, ""Cheap Girls" would be selected as a role divider and "The Fabulous Heavyweights" as a cast divider.

Hope that makes sense.
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Yes, nested dividers is what we need. But the lack of them doesn't mean we get to ignore the rules on common names and the "credited as" field. Again, no matter how you look at it, Tom Filiault is credited as Tom Filiault.

As a plea for nested dividers, I'm with you all the way. As an excuse to use the "credited as" field in cases where it doesn't apply, I'm not. "Credited as" could be used for the members of "White Lion", because they are, in fact, credited as such, but not for the members of "The Fabulous Heavyweights", because they're not.

The lack of nested dividers is very unfortunate. Heck, I raised this even before the beta with dividers went live, years ago - and the matter still isn't addressed...
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Okay, so why would "The Fabulous Heavyweights" be credited then if that is nothing more than a cast group heading?

Why not just list the people under a "Cheap Girls" group divider? Thus treating "The Fabulous Heavyweights" as the same as a company name, which I think we don't credit companies as a cast member?
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Why not just list the people under a "Cheap Girls" group divider? Thus treating "The Fabulous Heavyweights" as the same as a company name, which I think we don't credit companies as a cast member?

That's an option, too. As I wrote earlier: "There are several methods, and as always, we aren't going to reach a consensus."

It's unfortunate that we're given some tools to replicate certain "difficult" credits, but not enough. The more context the credits give us, the less we're able to properly (consistently!) profile that information.
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Why not in one group divider:
"Cheap Girls" / "The Fabulous Heavyweights"

The screen basically reads that way anyway.
Common sense solutions for common problems.
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Thanks for all the answers with a lot of different solutions. 
For now, this is the way I've done it:
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Within the limitations of the program, the solution I consider best fitting for this problem would be:

Group Divider: "The Fabulous Heavyweights" (because this is the "group" indicated in the credits)

Tom Filiault as "Cheap Girls" (because this is the role the actor is playing)
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For my local database I have it "Member of "Cheap Girls"", but since "Member of" isn't mentioned anywhere in the credits I'd consider this addition unfitting for the online.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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