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| Registered: January 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,617 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is the common name thread for Art Director/Production Designer Patrick M. Sullivan Jr. / Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. / Patrick Sullivan
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"Patrick M. Sullivan Jr." is credited in the following 13 titles (161 profiles)
"Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr." is credited in the following 11 titles (186 profiles)
"Patrick Sullivan" is credited in the following 18 titles (221 profiles)
Patrick M. Sullivan Jr. (3 confirmed, 8 invalid):
An American Carol
Changeling
J. Edgar (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
The Kingdom (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
The Last Airbender
Memoirs of a Geisha
The Ring (confirmed by ateo357)
The Rundown
Trouble with the Curve
Wanted
The Weather Man
Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. (6 confirmed, 3 invalid):
Behind the Candelabra (confirmed by Discostu)
Changeling (confirmed by ateo357)
J. Edgar
The Kingdom
The Last Airbender (confirmed by ateo357)
Memoirs of a Geisha (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
The Ring
Trouble with the Curve (confirmed by ninso4)
Winnie the Pooh (confirmed by ninso4)
Patrick Sullivan (6 confirmed):
An American Carol (confirmed by ateo357)
Divergent (confirmed by emmeli)
Hereafter (confirmed by ninso4)
The Rundown (confirmed by emmeli)
Wanted (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
The Weather Man (confirmed by emmeli)
Other Patrick Sullivans:
Miami Vice: Season 2
Speaking of the Devil
Pariah
Virgil Bliss
Zouxiang Gonghe | | | Think different
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end. | | | | Last edited: by ninso4 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninso4: Quote:
This is the common name thread for Art Director/Production Designer Patrick M. Sullivan Jr. / Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. / Patrick Sullivan
CLT:
"Patrick M. Sullivan Jr." is credited in the following 13 titles (161 profiles)
"Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr." is credited in the following 11 titles (186 profiles)
"Patrick Sullivan" is credited in the following 18 titles (221 profiles)
Patrick M. Sullivan Jr. (11 unconfirmed):
An American Carol
Changeling
J. Edgar
The Kingdom
The Last Airbender
Memoirs of a Geisha
The Ring
The Rundown
Trouble with the Curve
Wanted
The Weather Man
Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. (9 unconfirmed):
Behind the Candelabra
Changeling
J. Edgar
The Kingdom
The Last Airbender
Memoirs of a Geisha
The Ring
Trouble with the Curve
Winnie the Pooh
Patrick Sullivan (6 unconfirmed):
An American Carol
Divergent
Hereafter
The Rundown
Wanted
The Weather Man
Other Patrick Sullivans:
Miami Vice: Season 2
Speaking of the Devil
Pariah
Virgil Bliss
Zouxiang Gonghe And you have none of the movies? Not a single one? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] | | | | Last edited: by bbbbb |
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| Registered: January 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,617 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course I have.  | | | Think different
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninso4: Quote:
Of course I have. I see. First-person shooter. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | J. Edgar -> Patrick M. Sullivan Jr.
The Kingdom -> Patrick M. Sullivan Jr.
Memoirs of a Geisha -> Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr.
Wanted -> Patrick Sullivan
Since Invelos filters combine the Jr. variants with and without comma it is most likely that the common name will be "Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr." | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Changling - Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr.
The Ring - Patrick M. Sullivan Jr.
The Last Airbender - Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | An American Carol - Patrick Sullivan |
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| Registered: October 17, 2010 | | Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Behind the Candelabra - Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. | | | Recently bought films:
The Matrix [Blu-ray] | Shirins Wedding [DVD] | The Graduate [Blu-ray] | Prometheus [Blu-ray 3D] | Hwal [DVD] |
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| Registered: January 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,617 |
| | Posted: | | | | Patrick Sullivan has 6 valid credits and 202 valid profiles in the database
Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. has 6 valid credits and 175 valid profiles in the databas.
So, for now Patrick Sullivan is the common name. | | | Think different
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninso4: Quote:
Patrick Sullivan has 6 valid credits and 202 valid profiles in the database
Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. has 6 valid credits and 175 valid profiles in the databas.
So, for now Patrick Sullivan is the common name. ??? Don't understand this conclusion. If initials are involved (e.g. J.R. Ewing) the variants J.R. and J. R. count combined against JR. It is said that this is because of the Invelos filter that automatically transcribes J.R. -> J. R. If this is correct, wouldn't it be slightly more consistent to apply the same logic to the other automatic filter (Transcription of John Doe Jr. -> John Doe, Jr.)? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 400 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Lewis_Prothero. Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. must be the common name. | | | | Si on n'a pas ce qu'on aime, on doit aimer, ce qu'on a ! |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree as well
If I key Patrick/M./Sullivan Jr. in the name field Invelos forces the common name to be Patrick/M./Sullivan Jr.[Patrick M. Sullivan Jr.]
Also if I key in Patrick M. Sullivan Jr.[Patrick Sullivan] Invelos forces the common name to be Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr.[Patrick Sullivan]
Invelos overriding the common name in these cases as well as certain initial cases tells me that the Patrick M. Sullivan Jr. and Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr. we considered to be the same common name and should be counted together
It seems to me in any case where Invelos would alter the name field (common name) we should count them the same way for consistency. But we should only combine for cases where the filter forces a change. | | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | No where in the rules does it state to combine any auto-filtered names together as a common name.
To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.
so per the rule Patrick Sullivan in a tie but with the most profiles is the common name.
until there is a ruling from higher up, any personal thoughts on the issue mean nothing. |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
No where in the rules does it state to combine any auto-filtered names together as a common name.
To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.
so per the rule Patrick Sullivan in a tie but with the most profiles is the common name.
until there is a ruling from higher up, any personal thoughts on the issue mean nothing. Nor is there in the rules on anything how we are to count titles. We count TV seasons as 1 and we do not count fan/collective/anthology sets that have different titles, but the episodes are contained in a season set. Unless I missed it, that is not in the rules or a ruling from Ken. But is has been agreed to by many on this forum. The simple fact is that since the filter forces two (or more in the initial cases) different name variants to the same common name shows clear intent to me. | | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | For what it is worth when I was asked to post this in the rules forum the results were 4-2 in favor of combining counts of the filter cases http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=735451
Not that 4-2 is a clear consensus. Many do not have access to that forum, and I would suspect only those that care about common names and have access voted. |
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