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Episode Plots from Booklet
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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I  voted no on child profiles that added Episodes Header, Removed All Caps from titles and removed all bold formatting from the overview. The overview already matches the booklet as is.

This is what the contribution looks like...



Their reply to my no vote is...

"The rules do not address the the advisability of booklet data and how that data is formatted. This profile change follows Overview/TV series rules as well as US profile standards."

What US profile standards is this person talking about? As far as I seen the profiles follow no standards... only matches the cases and booklets.

From as soon as TV Series Child profiles were allowed we have treated booklet overviews the same as back of case overviews. Match it exactly. And why even want to put the episode header above the episode plots? This is something that has always been reserved for the simple episode lists on the parent profile.

But oddly I am the only no vote on these updates. So I am bringing it here to see what other people think about this situation. I personally feel such an update is wrong and does nothing but take away good information (info not against any of the rules) from the profiles.

This is for the DVD release of Arrow: The Complete First Season.
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I don't really care if the left side is according to the rules or not (note: It wasn't me who contributed it).

But let's assume the contributor is correct and the right one is according to the rules (I believe I voted on that one already and used my "I don't care about the change and it doesn't look blatantly wrong"-yes-vote on it.


Personally I don't understand why someone would put work into changing it all all, rules or not. The only real mistake on the left side is "Thy" from "Honor Th(e)y Father".

But why would someone put time and effort into any change besides that. What is so horrible with the left side that it needed to be reformatted even if it were against the rules? Is it unreadable? No. Is it spelled incorrectly (the one mistake aside)? No. So, why touch it at all?


If I were anal, I could now start to argue that new and old are incorrect because nowhere in the rules does it say that we may take the booklet as back cover replacement.

The rules state (in reading order):

Quote:

Overviews:

Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed “Notes” field.


Quote:

Disc-level Profiles:

Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images.


Quote:

Overviews:
Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case.


I even checked the Ken answers questions thread and the only ruling regarding the overview for TV shows I could find was this and it's unrelated.

Nowhere does it say anything about a booklet.

So, techically (since this is a HD keep case) this is the correct overview for all child profiles (unformatted due to quick copy & paste):

Quote:

Justice hits its mark! Based on the DC Comics series, Arrow reinvents the edgy and iconic character for today's audiences in the year's most thrill-packed and visually stunning action series. After being marooned for five years on a remote island, billionaire Oliver Queen comes home with a mysterious agenda and lethal new skills to fight crime in Starling City. Wearing the dark hood of a "vigilante" archer. Oliver's fiercely determined to right the wrongs of his father and thwart those who've corrupted his city. But his crusade is complicated by his own family's dark secrets, a best friend's unwitting ties to evil, and the woman he loves but betrayed in his earlier life. Frmo Oliver's harrowing island ordeals to Arrow's breathtaking urband stealth warfare, this 23-episode Season One is a heroic adventure delivered dead center!

Episodes:
...


So, you're both wrong. 


But my original question still stands: What had the database / the community to gain from this change in the first place? 

That's my main beef with so many contributions: I have to vote on so many changes which don't really seem to add any substantial improvement to the profile (e.g.TV show child profile contribution which changes the order of the genres to match the season profile) that I start to care about voting less and less.
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I never said the rules mentioned the included booklets. What I said was...

"From as soon as TV Series Child profiles were allowed we have treated booklet overviews the same as back of case overviews. Match it exactly."
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
"From as soon as TV Series Child profiles were allowed we have treated booklet overviews the same as back of case overviews. Match it exactly."


Yeah, but if there's no rule or clarification you can't really argue one way or another. We don't have any kind of "common law". Either it's in the rules or it's not.
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This is my contribution and here is my rationale.

The Overview, and only the Overview, needs to match the cover exactly.

Using a booklet, tv.com or any other resource does not supersede what the rules tells us to do. Formatting needs to comply with these rules.

The rules specifically address the fact that Bold or Italics are used if found on the back cover - not applicable in this case.

Formatting is also addressed and followed in this contribution - Capitalization rules were applied.

The use of an episode heading is not specifically addressed. But, then neither is the use of a colon or a "/" in the Title field.

Standard practice is what I'm striving to follow. And, in the majority of cases, the DVD does not contain a booklet.

I believe that this contribution is correct and in line with invleos' rules.

It also follows Ken's opinion that "Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for."

The formatting I have contributed is how I see most TV series entered - my contribution was contributed in the desire to follow his advice.

Edit: I should have noted that this is the approach I have used for many years. In that time I have not had a single one of these contributions declined.
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I can only repeat my stance. You're both working outside what the rules actually allow you to do - unless you can show me any point in the rules or a clarification that allows you to use the booklet.

Both of you try (and I agree with both of you here) to better the information provided in the profile with the booklet data. The back cover is already the overview of the season profile. Any repeat of that is basically useless data.

Both of you seem to argue that both your ways are the correct one because it's "always done this way". Let me tell you right now: I will not download every child profile of every series to check it. Maybe you usually watch completely different TV shows and you actually do experience the "common way" differently.

But if you do subsitute the booklet for a cover you need to follow the overview rules and they state to use bold and italics. And (having it right in front of me) the booklet actually does use bolds in the text*.

*I'm not sure if the episode name is supposed to be bold or not.

To come full circle: This overview doesn't become better or worse with or without the formatting. I never cared for overview formatting in the first place, it's pointless information/feature to begin with.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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I did not contribute the original data so I do not know where the episode data came from.

The child documentation notes it came from "all data from disc, parent or cover". The parent profile notes "episode list added"

There is no mention of the booklet in either the parent or child profiles.

The changes I made for this profile was:
- Addition of the episode header
- Capitalization rules
- Bold/italics rules

The only thing that might be considered "working outside" the rules would be the addition of the episode header. Is there something else I am missing?

Edit: The rules only say to add a simple episode list - it does not specify whether or not a heading should or should not be used. Which is why I don't believe this is "working outside" the rules.
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