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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Which is correct per capitalization rules: With or with?
For example:
Alone with her? or Alone With Her?
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs or Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs?
etc. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 554 |
| Posted: | | | | Capitalization rules for titles don't all agree. The Chicago Manual of Style and MLA state not to capitalize prepositions (such as "with") while the APA states to capitalize everything with four or more letters. You can always use this tool: Title Capitalization Tool. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection My Letterboxd Page | | | Last edited: by Rizor |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I never been able to get this stuff straight in my head... but I don't think I would capitalize it. | | | Pete |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Most accepted rule for capitalization of titles
Capitalize the first and last word in a title, regardless of part of speech
Capitalize all nouns (baby, country, picture), pronouns (you, she, it), verbs (walk, think, dream), adjectives (sweet, large, perfect), adverbs (immediately, quietly), and subordinating conjunctions (as, because, although)
Lowercase “to” as part of an infinitive
Lowercase all articles (a, the), prepositions (to, at, in, with), and coordinating conjunctions (and, but, or)
Some styles will argue about prepositions...
Some say capitalize prepositions if they are 4 or more characters. Some say five or more characters..
I typically fall under the rule of "Do not capitalize prepositions" |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | So in other words when it comes to the word "with"... there is always a chance of getting no votes no matter how you decide to contribute it. Lovely. | | | Pete |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | unless, a standard is set within invelos, this is the way it will be. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | I went with "The "w" should not be capitalized." It just doesn't look right the other way... | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I wonder if this is covererd by the rules Quote: For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title. In this rule, he calls them joining words. "the" and "a" are articles, "in" and "of" are prepositions. Maybe, the rules idea of "joining words" are "articles" and "prepositions". |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Maybe... hmmm. | | | Pete |
| Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation: | Posts: 694 |
| Posted: | | | | use the titel as required by the publisher. in this case use "Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs" as written on sony pictures website. clickin my opinion. | | |
the real BirthYear OverView |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting emmeli: Quote: use the titel as required by the publisher.
in this case use "Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs" as written on sony pictures website. click
in my opinion. Even that does not even closely match the cover, is against the rules, and is a totally improper capitalization. The cover actually reads Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs. We know from "Standard capitalization rules" First and last word is capitalized. Chance, used as a noun is capitalized. Per the rules at invelos, "a" (article) and "of" (preposition) are not capitalized So, the only word left in question is "with" (preposition). According to the poll, not much question there either. Charlie |
| Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation: | Posts: 694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
We know from "Standard capitalization rules"
First and last word is capitalized. Chance, used as a noun is capitalized. Per the rules at invelos, "a" (article) and "of" (preposition) are not capitalized
So, the only word left in question is "with" (preposition). According to the poll, not much question there either. then are all of this profiles false? | | |
the real BirthYear OverView |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting emmeli: Quote: Quoting CharlieM:
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We know from "Standard capitalization rules"
First and last word is capitalized. Chance, used as a noun is capitalized. Per the rules at invelos, "a" (article) and "of" (preposition) are not capitalized
So, the only word left in question is "with" (preposition). According to the poll, not much question there either.
then are all of this profiles false?
All but three of those follow "Standard Capitalization". The ones with a lowercase "c" in the word chance are wrong..... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: I wonder if this is covererd by the rules
Quote: For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title.
In this rule, he calls them joining words. "the" and "a" are articles, "in" and "of" are prepositions.
Maybe, the rules idea of "joining words" are "articles" and "prepositions". The problem here, and I have mentioned it before, is that the rule is badly written. There is a proper term for 'joining words', and that term is conjunction. If they had left it at that, the rule would be fine as there is a finite list of conjunctions. The problem is created by the examples because none of the examples are joining word. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting CharlieM:
Quote: I wonder if this is covererd by the rules
Quote: For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title.
In this rule, he calls them joining words. "the" and "a" are articles, "in" and "of" are prepositions.
Maybe, the rules idea of "joining words" are "articles" and "prepositions". The problem here, and I have mentioned it before, is that the rule is badly written. There is a proper term for 'joining words', and that term is conjunction. If they had left it at that, the rule would be fine as there is a finite list of conjunctions. The problem is created by the examples because none of the examples are joining word. While I agree that the rule is improperly written, changing joining to conjunction would also be improper. Conjunction is a classification for a whole subject in grammar, but I will assume that you are only talking about Coordinating Conjunctions, which there are only 6 (for, and, nor, but, or, yet, so). If it were written to only not capitalize these 6 words, it would still be improper capitalization rules. |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | The vast majority of my profiles use the lowercase "w" and this is the way I contribute that data. I can't remember ever receiving a "no" vote or having a contribution declined in doing so...until recently. I changed "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs" > "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs?" and received a single "no" vote. This got me thinking...not necessarily a good thing! I'm a bit obsessive and prefer to have all the same data match but I didn't want to be contributing bad data. I wasn't sure which was correct and now it seems both are! Since the Chicago Manual of Style and MLA agree "with" is acceptable and the majority of those who answered this poll agree, I will continue to contribute this data as "with". Thank you for your input. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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