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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantEarly Memphis
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I submitted an Overview to the El Dorado Blu-ray, but my submission says "Incomplete Submission". No matches were found in searching help. Does anyone know what that means whether I should resubmit the Overview? 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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It means that you didn't click on "Submit" or "Cancel" when the contribution notes showed up.
Re-Submitting usually fixes this.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantEarly Memphis
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Thanks, Lewis Apparently, I neglected to check the "Overview" box.   
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Be sure that you...

"Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line."

"Use the Bold and/or Italic features for any words in the overview that are bold and/or italic as needed to match the case."

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantEarly Memphis
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Well, that sucks. 1) I copied the formatting from the existing DVD Overview (which had the names bolded). 2) I mentioned the extras because it's important info and saw nothing wrong with adding it - where would such info go?

What bugs me is that I took the time to do this because it was empty, not for a point on my record. What I don't understand is that, if they're such sticklers for copying the printed Overview so exactly, why didn't any of these folks who voted no do that when it was empty? My sub note clearly stated that I added the line about the extras, but one no note said "Why not just use the overview on the back of the blu-ray case?" Which I did except for adding one sentence of important info - which I copped to.

Thanks to Addicted2DVD (my bold added  ) for the helpful PM. Perhaps a system where pre-vote comments and helpful suggestions are offered would be better ... but maybe that's just the sting of rejection talking. *shrug* I'd change my sub, but at this point it's 0-4 and I doubt the votes would change. Hopefully, someone else will sub an "exact" copy - they can copy mine, deleting the bold and the first sentence (I still think a note about the extras is worth mentioning and wonder where it's "properly" added). 
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The extras go into the features and format section. The only time you add something not on the back to the overview section is if the item needs a episode list, which is allowed for mainly tv box set overviews.

The whole contribution process is on a user by user basis. Sometimes people don't have time, have gotten burned out or just haven't gotten to that title yet. You can submit as much or as little as possible.

The voting process is not supposed to be taken personally. Even people who have done it for years will miss something or click the wrong button or make a typo. It's not a personal (or at least shouldn't be) attack. Most people just fix what was wrong and resubmit. If you don't, well, that's your choice but it does leave the database poorer for it. There are definitely issues with it, but the only way it can be improved is by people trying.

Oh, and if you do fix the overview and resubmit it, the original votes are wiped out and people will have to vote again.
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I don't take it personally, as a rule. However, when I went back to resubmit, I saw that someone who had voted against my sub had gone ahead and subbed the Overview after voting against me - so no chance to fix anything.  I was also subbing a note about the special features, but since I guess that vote was still in process, I backed out. It'd be nice if the Special Features box was large enough to accommodate listing the Titles and times.
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I don't take it personally, as a rule. However, when I went back to resubmit, I saw that someone who had voted against my sub had gone ahead and subbed the Overview after voting against me - so no chance to fix anything.


I've occasionally done this. The reason I do is, despite voting "no" and/or sending a pm to the contributor, quite often the contribution is left as is.

Invelos has accepted incorrect profiles, despite "no" votes and I wait a bit but if nothing happens I will submit the correct data.

My collection is too big and my memory too poor that if I didn't correct and submit it I'd never remember which title needed updating.
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I don't take it personally, as a rule. However, when I went back to resubmit, I saw that someone who had voted against my sub had gone ahead and subbed the Overview after voting against me - so no chance to fix anything.  I was also subbing a note about the special features, but since I guess that vote was still in process, I backed out. It'd be nice if the Special Features box was large enough to accommodate listing the Titles and times.


On the part I put in bold. I just wanted to make sure you realized that you must never add anything to the overview that isn't part of the overview on the case (only exception... simple episode/short/Main Features list). This includes never adding info on extra features... matter of fact this is especially mentioned in the rules...

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Overviews
Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line.

Use the Bold and/or Italic features for any words in the overview that are bold and/or italic as needed to match the case. Exceptions: If the entire overview uses an uppercase or lowercase font, enter the overview using standard capitalization rules for the locality of the DVD. Do not bold or italicize individual letters (as in the case of dropped capitals beginning a paragraph).

Do not use bold/italic to denote color changes.

Never include the following items in overviews:

    Taglines
    Reviews (unless they are incorporated into the text of the overview on the case)
    Extra features
    Hyperlinks or other HTML
    Line-break hyphens

For multi-language cases, use only the language of the DVDs locality.


See especially what I put in bold. Any addition of special features in overview (that is not part of the overview text of case) would be against the rules and would get no votes.
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I don't take it personally, as a rule. However, when I went back to resubmit, I saw that someone who had voted against my sub had gone ahead and subbed the Overview after voting against me - so no chance to fix anything.

This might have been because you stated, in this thread, that you weren't going to try and fix it. 
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Kathy : Yeah, the timing is one thing I'd change. From what I've seen, the voting stays open for 5 days, I think. Perhaps, since Invelos rewards the reputation of helpers, the first two days could be reserved for emailed comments by any who wish to take the time. Submitters who wished to learn from any comments/suggestions could change their submission and reward the advisors via a "positive rating". That way, truly positive people would get a boost, the vote wouldn't take any longer, and any sharks out there (and there aren't many) would have to do their own work instead of feeding off others.
Also, no-one could get their feelings hurt if they got suggestions but they didn't make any changes and then got voted down. If you really wanted to enforce co-operation and niceness, one wouldn't be able to vote No if they hadn't first emailed (or posted) a suggestion. That system would actually reward niceness and cooperation, but … I'm just a newbie and perhaps such a system, despite being easily automated, would be viewed as too cumbersome. For my part, I always give positive ratings to folks who respond with answers or advice to any thread I'm in or started. It's a pity folks don't get notified of such (or perhaps they do and I've simply never gotten any positive feedbacks). 

Addicted2DVD : Yes, I got that from the email you sent - which is an example of the system I was proposing/imagining. Your email, in lieu of a No vote, was helpful & I should've been able to give you positive feedback on it. Note that it was the "Special Features box" which I was wishing was "large enough to accommodate listing the Titles and times", not the Overview.

TheMadMartian : Could be, I didn't see a sub time when I attempted to sub and saw the new pending sub. I wonder if my "I don't take it personally, as a rule" comment has been misunderstood by some. I was merely trying to reply to LJG,s nice post and letting her know that I had, as she suggested, attempted to correct the sub. It wasn't meant to imply that "I don't usually take it personally but I did this time". Rather, it was literal. My "enforced" reaction is to stay positive. One has to work at pissing me off online. It's possible, and then I can be a prick sometimes;  but we don't know each other personally and we don't have all the visual and sensory clues one relies on in face-to-face communication - so, even if irritated, I try to assume things are mere rough spots in written communication … until I know better, or worse.   
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Kathy : Yeah, the timing is one thing I'd change. From what I've seen, the voting stays open for 5 days, I think. Perhaps, since Invelos rewards the reputation of helpers, the first two days could be reserved for emailed comments by any who wish to take the time. Submitters who wished to learn from any comments/suggestions could change their submission and reward the advisors via a "positive rating". That way, truly positive people would get a boost, the vote wouldn't take any longer, and any sharks out there (and there aren't many) would have to do their own work instead of feeding off others.
Also, no-one could get their feelings hurt if they got suggestions but they didn't make any changes and then got voted down. If you really wanted to enforce co-operation and niceness, one wouldn't be able to vote No if they hadn't first emailed (or posted) a suggestion. That system would actually reward niceness and cooperation, but … I'm just a newbie and perhaps such a system, despite being easily automated, would be viewed as too cumbersome. For my part, I always give positive ratings to folks who respond with answers or advice to any thread I'm in or started. It's a pity folks don't get notified of such (or perhaps they do and I've simply never gotten any positive feedbacks). 


Actually... probably be better to keep it as it is now. As you said... can't give green arrows (positive feedback) to the PMs (emails)... but you can give them to yes and no votes. So if someone gives me a correct no vote I try to always give them a green arrow as a Thank You. Unfortunately that can't always be the case... like I got a correct no vote for something yesterday... but was already out of green arrows to give since we are limited to the number we can give per day.

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Addicted2DVD : Yes, I got that from the email you sent - which is an example of the system I was proposing/imagining. Your email, in lieu of a No vote, was helpful & I should've been able to give you positive feedback on it. Note that it was the "Special Features box" which I was wishing was "large enough to accommodate listing the Titles and times", not the Overview.


I was slightly confused if you understood by the last post you made... so thought I would clarify just to be on the safe side.
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But Thanks for the reminder... just went back to that no vote to give them the green arrow I couldn't yesterday.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
I was slightly confused if you understood by the last post you made... so thought I would clarify just to be on the safe side.

Despite my best efforts & intentions, I have that effect on people.   
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