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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | The French Blu-ray profile of "Panic sur Florida Beach" (a.k.a. Matinee) in the database currently has both Feature Trailers and Bonus Trailers added in Features. There is definitely one Feature Trailer for "Matinee" on the disc — but the other Trailer is for "Mant!" which was basically a B&W short "film within a film" that is used within the main film. This was shot and produced at the same time as "Matinee" for the specific purpose of using some of that footage in the final film. The complete footage of "Mant!" is on the disc under "Bonus Features" and plays for 17 minutes. It also has the original "Mant!" Trailer included separately under Bonus Features. That is the only thing on the disc that could be construed as a "Bonus Trailer" — but is that really a valid Bonus Trailers entry?  The "Mant!" Trailer does appear in the feature film "Matinee". It's really nothing more than a "Fake Trailer" that was specifically shot to be used within it. That same "Mant!" Trailer can be viewed here: | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally wouldn't use bonus trailers for that... though I may mention it in other features stating it is a fake trailer for a movie shown in the film. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's a "Featurette", not more not less. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is not a featurette... per rules a featurette is "documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." A fake movie trailer is neither of those. It belongs in Other Features. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is a Featurette.
According to the OP the Trailer is part of the main-feature -> Presenting it separately still keeps it associated with the film in combination with the footage (documentation) for this "Trailer" it surely qualifies as Featurette. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I completely disagree... there is no documentary info in about the film or those that make it. So I see no way it can be a featurette. It is nothing more then a trailer that is associated with the film. Not documentary material. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
It is a Featurette.
According to the OP the Trailer is part of the main-feature -> Presenting it separately still keeps it associated with the film in combination with the footage (documentation) for this "Trailer" it surely qualifies as Featurette. I agree with this. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
It is not a featurette... per rules a featurette is "documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." A fake movie trailer is neither of those. It belongs in Other Features. I agree. I used to own this on LaserDisc, and Mant is the fake movie that the main character of Matinee is promoting in the movie. Being that Mant isn't a real movie, the trailer for the same isn't a bonus trailer. Featurette shouldn't be used either for a fake movie either. Mant and it's fake trailer belongs in the other features. If we are going to say that a trailer for a fake movie is a bonus trailer or a featurette, then why not enter credits for fake films or tv series that are in feature films or a tv episode. I think some Family Guy episodes contain credits for fake things in some episodes, so why not credit those too? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Where in that trailer is there documentary info on the film Matinee or the people that made it in that fake trailer? I watched that youtube video and do not see any. And that is what the rules state is needed for Featurette.... Rules Quote: Quote:
Featurettes Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it. Notice especially the part of the rules I put in bold. If there is none... it is not a Featurette per Rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
then why not enter credits for fake films or tv series that are in feature films or a tv episode. In fact this is done. Check (as example) "The Holiday" where in a trailer for a fake-movie (Christmas Day) you can see James Franco and Lindsay Lohan. In many profiles these two get listed (as uncredited nevertheless). Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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Featurettes Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it.
Notice especially the part of the rules I put in bold. If there is none... it is not a Featurette per Rules. Can anybody please explain to me in how far a sequence that appears in the Main-Feature if presented separately loses it's association to the main-feature? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Posted: | | | | Even if it is associated with the film (I never said it wasn't).... it still is only a fake trailer... it is NOT Documentary Material REGARDING the film or those that are in it... as the rules say it must be. Show me anywhere that the movie Matinee or the people who made Matinee is even mentioned in that fake trailer.
They are not... so I honestly don't see how it can be considered a featurette. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | So...
1. There is no Documentary Material (a fake trailer is not a documentary)
2. The fake trailer is not REGARDING (about) the main feature or those that made it. (Yes it is associated with it, but nothing about it) | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
So...
1. There is no Documentary Material (a fake trailer is not a documentary)
2. The fake trailer is not REGARDING (about) the main feature or those that made it. (Yes it is associated with it, but nothing about it) Regarding doesn't mean about. Regarding means " In reference to; with respect to; concerning". (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/regarding) | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | The short "Mant" (including its "Trailer") was only shot to present parts of it as background-material in "Matinee" In so far showing this in full length is documenting the original work done. Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Even if it is associated with the film (I never said it wasn't).... You didn't? No, you simply bolded the part that said this and wrote: Quote:
Notice especially the part of the rules I put in bold. Sorry, but I don't see how I could have read anything else from this than denying the association with the main-feature. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe I put in bold a little too far... but I do not believe it is regarding the main feature or the people that made it. I remain in that opinion. I personally would vote no to it being a feaurette.... and I am sorry but the only one that can convince me differently is Invelos themselves. And then I would still never be convinced it is a featurette... but that it would be an exception to how the featurette rule is written. | | | | Pete |
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| | Posted: | | | | With that I am dropping this discussion until such time Invelos decides to pop into the conversation... if they do. | | | | Pete |
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