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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, I'm going the cast and crew for a profile and it has crew members listed in both the opening and end credits but two are different (in the opening a person is credited as Director of Photography while the end Cinematography, another the writer is credited as Screenplay by while the end has it as Written by). So which do I use? Also, the end ones are listed in one block and not a part of the scroll section. And here's a screenshot:  After that fills, then it scrolls up to show the rest of the crew in normal fashion. Other than those two, everyone else is credited the same as in the opening. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | If opening and end-credits collide I usually pick the credits from the end-crawl. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Interesting. I don't believe I've ever seen this issue before.
I don't know that there is a right or wrong answer, but I'd probably use the credits from the beginning of the film as those are the only ones most people will ever see.
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've seen a few of these also. I use the main crew credits (opening, or sometimes it's the beginning of the closing) anything after that is secondary (just like with Film Editor when there is one in the main credits and another in the ending, we don't contribute the 2nd one). |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I've seen a few of these also. I use the main crew credits (opening, or sometimes it's the beginning of the closing) anything after that is secondary (just like with Film Editor when there is one in the main credits and another in the ending, we don't contribute the 2nd one). Well, that screen grab came right when the film faded to black (after the title shown again). | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules has something for cast that I would think apply to the crew. Quote:
For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.
Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name.
If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:
• If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
• If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
•If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source, as long as the inclusion does not violate the site's published policy (if any).
• If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. However, mass copy from a third party commercial database which violates their stated usage license is not allowed. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.
This tells me the end credits take precedence. But that is weird, normally the DoP is credited in the beginning and not end. But I guess everything is possible. Could he have been the cinematographer as well as the DoP. The writer credits are technically close, but I would use the end credit - Screenwriter. Either way you should put detailed notes in the contribution so if anyone watches this and notices the difference they also know there was an actual difference in the credits. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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I've seen a few of these also. I use the main crew credits (opening, or sometimes it's the beginning of the closing) anything after that is secondary (just like with Film Editor when there is one in the main credits and another in the ending, we don't contribute the 2nd one).
Well, that screen grab came right when the film faded to black (after the title shown again). I thought there was opening credits with crew listed. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
The rules has something for cast that I would think apply to the crew.
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For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.
Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name.
If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:
• If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
• If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
•If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source, as long as the inclusion does not violate the site's published policy (if any).
• If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. However, mass copy from a third party commercial database which violates their stated usage license is not allowed. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.
This tells me the end credits take precedence. But that is weird, normally the DoP is credited in the beginning and not end. But I guess everything is possible. Could he have been the cinematographer as well as the DoP.
The writer credits are technically close, but I would use the end credit - Screenwriter.
Either way you should put detailed notes in the contribution so if anyone watches this and notices the difference they also know there was an actual difference in the credits. You would think but this is DVDP so these directions are for cast. And you know what happens if you try to infuse common sense thinking. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
The rules has something for cast that I would think apply to the crew. One might think that but for the fact that film crew are completely omitted from that section of the rules. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Quoting The Movieman:
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Quoting ateo357:
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I've seen a few of these also. I use the main crew credits (opening, or sometimes it's the beginning of the closing) anything after that is secondary (just like with Film Editor when there is one in the main credits and another in the ending, we don't contribute the 2nd one).
Well, that screen grab came right when the film faded to black (after the title shown again).
I thought there was opening credits with crew listed. Correct. There was both, one in the beginning where Mark Duplass was credited as "Screenplay by" and Hillary Spera with "Director of Photography" and one at the end, bundled together in that screenshot, with Duplass as "Written by" and Spera "Cinematography by". | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
The writer credits are technically close, but I would use the end credit - Screenwriter. If using the end credit, it would be "Written by". |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
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The writer credits are technically close, but I would use the end credit - Screenwriter.
If using the end credit, it would be "Written by". In fact it would be (according to the screenshot) "Story By" | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
If using the end credit, it would be "Written by". After a closer look at the end credits in the OP, I see that there are two writing credits listed: Story by KATIE ASELTON Written by MARK DUPLASS As there seems to be contradictory data in the closing credits this would be another reason to go with the opening credits. --------------- |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting The Movieman:
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If using the end credit, it would be "Written by".
After a closer look at the end credits in the OP, I see that there are two writing credits listed:
Story by KATIE ASELTON
Written by MARK DUPLASS
As there seems to be contradictory data in the closing credits this would be another reason to go with the opening credits.
--------------- My old eyes can't read the credits in the original post but for these two both of them are allowed. Why is giving them both credits a problem? The same goes for differences in the opening and end credits. Why shouldn't they get credited both ways? We often give multiple credits for Cast/Crew - why should this be any different? Edit: I did not find anything in the rules or Ken's statements that would prohibit us from entering that data the way we see it. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Why is giving them both credits a problem? I didn't mean to imply that they couldn't both be credited, just that I would use the opening credits where such exist and the closing credits for additional crew persons. What about the person who is credited as DoP in the opening credits and Cinematographer in the closing? Do you credit him as both DoP and Cinematographer? That seems very redundant. (And remember, we aren't required to be comprehensive in our credit contributions.) --------------- |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Given it is unclear, I submitted the two from the end with the proper notes stating so. If/when the rules get clarified, then I (or someone else) can change it at a later time. |
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