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TV Series: Child Profile Overview
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Should/can an Overview be added to Child Profiles?

I am the only "no" voter and don't understand where others see that this data is allowed.

Here are the sections of the rules that I feel supports my rationale:

TV Series Rule:

"A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field..."

Disc Level Profile:

"Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images."
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The TV Series Rule you are quoting applies to season-level profiles.

The standard Contribution Rules, which as you have quoted apply to disc-level profiles, include a rule which states "When there is no overview on the case, add a simple, self-written overview of 1-2 paragraphs. Do not include spoilers and always match the overview language to the profile's locality."

The cases you are referring to are disc-level profiles of Star Trek seasons.

Now, these, according to the standard rule I just quoted, might contain a "simple, self-written overview of 1-2 paragraphs". It clearly says so.

A similar text from a more or less "official" source such as the series' official website would IMHO always be preferable over any self-written Overview, and in similar cases (or cases where the Overview was written in a non-supported language like Chinese), the Invelos screeners have always allowed such texts to be entered as a "substitute Overview", if you like.

I think this is well within the "spirit" of the rules (dangerous word, I know...).
Of course, your mileage may vary...
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I voted other because you didn't give sufficient information.

How is the child profile packaged and was there an individual overview? Or did the contributer make it up?

"Standard overview" means what's back on the cover. Cover in this case means season cover if the discs are packed together (e.g. Keep Case) or if they have an individual packaging (e.g. ThinPAK) then the disc cover.

If the cover actually contains an episode description, it's of course part of the overview and can/must be entered into the overview field.

The "Do not add episode synopses to the overview field..." constraint is meant for the case where the overview does not provide episode descriptions of its own and the user is not allowed to make an episode description up.

The maximum he is allowed is to create a simple list of the episode names in this season / on this disc.


At least that's my interpretation of that section of the rules.


Here's an example of a ThinPAK back cover/overview for a single disc which contains an episode description which I think is perfectly allowed to go into the overview field:




What he isn't allowed is to make up an episode description for this back cover:

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What exactly is an "overview"?  Here is what an overview is not:

  • Taglines

  • Reviews (unless they are incorporated into the text of the overview on the case)

  • Extra features

  • Hyperlinks or other HTML

  • Line-break hyphens


  • We are told to "not add episode synopses to the overview field", but what if such synopses are the whole of the overview?

    I have television sets where the back cover has an overview of the series/season and the inside has "overviews" for each disc.  These overviews often list episode titles, air dates, and short synopses.  Why aren't those proper "overviews"?

    And as said above, if there is no written overview in or on the packaging we're able to add overviews of our own creation, with little guidance on content.

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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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    The TV Series is: Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    The submitted Overviews were taken from startrek.com.
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    Yeah. I tried to explain this all to you in a PM a while back ago. Obviously you didn't understand what I was trying to say.

    IF there is overview per disc included... whether on the back of a thinpak... on panels of digipaks... or even in booklets or on the disc themselves in the menus these overviews should be used. If there is none at all you can write them. It is the TV Series rules (for the parent profiles only) that don't allow this. Not the standard rules that we are told to follow for the disc level profiles.
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    Quoting Kathy:
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    The TV Series is: Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    The submitted Overviews were taken from startrek.com.


    Is there episode overviews anywhere on the case... in an included booklet.. or even in the menus? If so they should be used. If not... then the contribution would be correct.
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    Quoting Kathy:
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    The submitted Overviews were taken from startrek.com.


    At least this is a reason to vote "No" for violating the copyrights of the original author.

    The important part of the rule in this case is "self-written"
    It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
    But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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    Quoting dee1959jay:
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    The TV Series Rule you are quoting applies to season-level profiles.

    The standard Contribution Rules, which as you have quoted apply to disc-level profiles, include a rule which states "When there is no overview on the case, add a simple, self-written overview of 1-2 paragraphs. Do not include spoilers and always match the overview language to the profile's locality."

    The cases you are referring to are disc-level profiles of Star Trek seasons.

    Now, these, according to the standard rule I just quoted, might contain a "simple, self-written overview of 1-2 paragraphs". It clearly says so.


    Both of the quotes in my initial post are from the TV Series section. You can not just use the standard rule - this is spelled out in the TV Series rules: "The following are Clarifications to the standard Rules for TV Series on DVD:..."
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    But the TV Series rules tells us to use the standard rules for the disc level profiles. Since you can't use both you would go with where the disc level rules tells us to for those profiles.
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    Quoting Kathy:
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    The TV Series is: Star Trek: The Next Generation.

    The submitted Overviews were taken from startrek.com.


    Must be for a later season... I have the first 3 seasons and don't see any contributions up.
    Pete
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    Hmm - I just re-read them again and see what others are thinking.

    "Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images."

    Are the "standard Contribution Rules" the TV Series rules? I thought so based on this ""The following are Clarifications to the standard Rules for TV Series on DVD:..."

    Buy, why would we use rules for regular DVDs when it is spelled out to use TV Series clarifications?
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    In order to prevent an endless merry-go-round (and just like the caroussell actually going nowhere) could anyone else chipping in just say "I agree with XYZ" unless they actually have yet another point of view on the matter.

    As for those who've already posted (and yes that includes me) please refrain from re-iterating your argument ad nauseam. It hasn't happened yet but these kind threads with unclear wording in the rules tend to go that way.


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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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    Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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    But the TV Series rules tells us to use the standard rules for the disc level profiles. Since you can't use both you would go with where the disc level rules tells us to for those profiles.


    I think this is where my reading of the rules differs from yours. I read the rule as saying we use the standard Rules for TV Series on DVD.

    I think I've explained my what I've been thinking - I'll sit back and read what others say.

    Thank you in advance for your thoughts on the issue.
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    Quoting Kathy:
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    Hmm - I just re-read them again and see what others are thinking.

    "Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images."

    Are the "standard Contribution Rules" the TV Series rules? I thought so based on this ""The following are Clarifications to the standard Rules for TV Series on DVD:..."

    Buy, why would we use rules for regular DVDs when it is spelled out to use TV Series clarifications?


    The introduction to the rules tells us what they consider the standard rules...

    This shows that Invelos considers the main rules the standard rules....
    Quote:

    These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD.
    Box sets containing more than one film
    TV Series on DVD

    Note: The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD.


    So when the TV Series rules tells us to use the standard rules in such a case... they must mean the main rules.

    As to why they did it this way? I have no idea... I would have just wrote the overview exception into the disc level rules. But that is just me I guess.
    Pete
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    Well said Pete

    The standard rule you can create an overview if none exists.  Well the child profile has no overview.  I should also ask this.  What benefit is there in having the same overview repeated across 6 or 7 profiles.  All the TV sets have episode synopsis in the child profiles and they are contributed.
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