Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next
Help crediting these ...
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantlasitter
Registered: May 30, 2008
Posts: 445
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
These are the real opening credits (pre-editing) from the documentary shorts that make up the series. I could use some help with production credits.

By the time all this got going, the name change from the United States Army Air Corps to the United States Army Air Forces was complete. That happened during 1942. There are inconsistencies in terms of how different instructional films handle the transition.

"First Motion Picture Unit
Army Air Forces"

For the P-61 is interesting because these credits are not done up by a military contractor.

But in the P-47 I get:

"Presented by The Army Air Forces
in cooperation with
Republic Aviation Corporation (1943)"

For the P-39, it's the "United States Army Air Forces"

Army Air Forces
The Army Air Forces
United States Army Air Forces
The United States Army Air Forces

Which is it?

Take a stab at below also please.

I'm particularly interested in how the "War Department" gets credited.

Some of these films also draw an "AKA" over at IMDB:
Also Known As: Training Film No. A.F. - 107A

----

Training Film Restricted
No.107-B
War Department

How to Fly the P-47 - Ground Handling, Take-Off, Normal Flight, Landing
presented by
The Army Air Forces
in cooperation with
Republic Aviation Corporation

----

Training Film Restricted
No.107-C
War Department
Presented by
The Army Air Forces
in cooperation with
Republic Aviation Corporation
1943

----

Lockheed Aircraft Corporation presents
P-38 Flight Characteristics

----

Introduction to the P-39
Copyright Bell Aircraft Corporation
Produced by Bell Aircraft Corporation
Motion Picture Division
This is one of a series of films made for THE (larger font)
UNITED STATES
ARMY AIR FORCES

----

A Product of the
First Motion Picture Unit
Army Air Forces
FLYING THE P-61 SERIES AIRPLANE
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributortweeter
I aim to misbehave
Registered: June 12, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,665
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Why do you keep starting new threads for the same topic/profile?

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=680951
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=681190

You are not dealing with a series of documentary shorts but a completely different profile where public domain material was edited into something else.  Profile the disc in your hand.

There is no such thing as Uncredited Studios.  Credit what is on the disc.
There is no such thing as Uncredited Crew. Credit what is on the disc.

You can credit Uncredited Cast with good sources.

Your knowledge of the history of the source material is really not relevant to profiling of this disc.
Bad movie?  You're soaking in it!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Agree with Tweeter here as well.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantlasitter
Registered: May 30, 2008
Posts: 445
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
tweeter: Questions asked elsewhere were not being addressed, therefore the new posts.
Addicted2DVD: About multiple posts or accuracy?

This is not a satisfying answer. I think accuracy trumps all else. Letting the omissions of these no-copyright DVD butchers rule the day with omissions and inaccuracies sucks. I'll keep the right info in my local profile and let you purists figure the rest of it out, if that ever happens.

This is why, despite the very best efforts of those of us beyond the select few, are completely discouraged about making meaningful contributions.

I can't help but notice that neither of you addressed any of the questions regarding crediting. These questions would have been legitimate if there were no issue of them having been edited.

And: Not all the credits were edited out of this potential submission, so again, THANKS A LOT!
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantlasitter
Registered: May 30, 2008
Posts: 445
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Timeless Media Group produced nothing. Who are the producers? How do you list them?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I personally don't care about the multiple posts... though I do see it as needless. In my opinion if you wanted to post more about this release it would have been just as good... a little better even... if you kept it all in one thread... but hey... that's me.

And I do believe in accuracy. Not really accuracy to how it was originally made. But accuracy to the disc we are profiling. Just like I have more then one disc that is multiple TV Show episodes combined to make a movie (especially TV Miniseries)... I profile it just like a movie.... one set of credits as the credits are on the DVD. No more then that and no less then that. I wouldn't even consider making credits per episode when it is on the DVD in movie format. I see what you are describing no differently.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributortweeter
I aim to misbehave
Registered: June 12, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,665
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
But accuracy to the disc we are profiling.

^ This. 

If Timeless Media is the media company credited, credit them.  Any companies not listed on the disc are irrelevant because we are profiling this disc.  Profile the disc and you will make a meaningful contribution.
Bad movie?  You're soaking in it!
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantlasitter
Registered: May 30, 2008
Posts: 445
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting tweeter:
Quote:
If Timeless Media is the media company credited, credit them.  Any companies not listed on the disc are irrelevant because we are profiling this disc.  Profile the disc and you will make a meaningful contribution.

I have credited them AS MEDIA COMPANIES. The question is about who was the actual production companies.

These films are separate except to the extent that they've been placed on the same disc. Placing them on the same disc doesn't make them a movie.

Without these individual instructional films, the discs would be utterly blank. I don't know how you profile that.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
Registered: Apr 11, 2004
Registered: May 26, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,879
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
If there are no studios credited on the disc, the thing most would do is to leave that section blank for the online. 

Locally, I would probably list it thusly, given the info posted:
- The United States Army Air Forces
- Republic Aviation Corporation
- Bell Aircraft Corporation
If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
Contributor since 2002
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Sweden Posts: 3,197
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Think of this as a suggestion, but I think it's better if you document the details of your findings in an online document for those who are interested in the history of things. Profiler is really not suited for speciality interests when there is a lot of uncredited information to deal with.
First registered: February 15, 2002
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantlasitter
Registered: May 30, 2008
Posts: 445
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Danae Cassandra: Thanks for your suggestion.

iPatsa: It's frustrating because you can watch the same films on Youtube and see the credit information. You can then go to IMDB and see the film info there.

I understand that IMDB is about film and Profiler is about discs, but it's very frustrating that there is no neat or clean way to have that information in my local profile AND allow others to benefit from over two days worth of work.

Like others trying to help, you get to a point where you say "Why bother? I have other things to do with my time."

I've got lots of stuff in my collection that I could contribute, but this sort of result is caustic, and leaves lots of holes in the database that don't have to be there.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I personally don't see it as holes in the database... as you said yourself this database is about the disc. So if the info is not on the disc then it shouldn't be in the profile (with few exceptions ie: SRP or Uncredited Cast).
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 3,475
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting lasitter:
Quote:

I understand that IMDB is about film and Profiler is about discs, but it's very frustrating that there is no neat or clean way to have that information in my local profile AND allow others to benefit from over two days worth of work.


Why can't there be a thread, similar to the alternative cover scans one, that would allow the community to benefit from all that work?
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantlasitter
Registered: May 30, 2008
Posts: 445
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
I personally don't see it as holes in the database...

Holes in the database in the form of discouraged contributors.

An example for me is "Flight Check Bombers". I have a couple hundred profiles or more that I could make a difference on. Some would be just doing a scan and cloning a profile, but others, are like "Bombers" and David Sutherland's "The Farmer's Wife" (841887006279) which are not in the database in any form.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
Contributor since 2002
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Sweden Posts: 3,197
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
If you write down the full credits in an online document, you can use the link feature in the program to link the profile to that document. That way others can see what you have done.
First registered: February 15, 2002
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantlasitter
Registered: May 30, 2008
Posts: 445
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting iPatsa:
Quote:
If you write down the full credits in an online document, you can use the link feature in the program to link the profile to that document. That way others can see what you have done.

So put the info out on the internet somewhere and link to it?

Hadn't thought of that. Thanks.
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next