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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 554 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm currently auditing the US Blu-ray for the Luis Bunuel film Tristana (1970), and I've noticed that they've altered the credits from the film's original version. The current profile for the film features cast & crew taken from the original version. The actual credits on the disc seems to remove all of the accent marks on names, removes many key cast & crew, studios, copyrights, etc.
Should the profile be edited to match the altered credits? Should cast & crew be removed because they aren't credited in the new version?
The profile currently does not include the film's original studios. Would it be okay to source them from the original credits? | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection My Letterboxd Page |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote: Should the profile be edited to match the altered credits? Should cast & crew be removed because they aren't credited in the new version? As strange as it may sound: Yes. The Cast can be entered as "Uncredited" though, if you state in the notes how they were "identified" this should pass in this case. The same goes for "Studios" for DVDProfiler we use those that are mentioned in the credits (NOT splash-screens). If the original studios aren't mentioned in your release, you pick those that are. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Is this a re-release as in using the same UPC/EAN as the original release? If so the info comes from the original release. If it is a different UPC/EAN then the original release then the credits should match those of that release (uncredited allowed if you can verify them being in it). | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually, as Pete points out, the answer might be 'no'.
If this is a true re-release, meaning they re-used the same UPC, all the info should match the original release. If, however, this is a new release, then, and only then, should the information match the altered version. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | One of the reviews of this blu-ray says that the original ending montage is available as a special feature on the disc. If this is the case, perhaps the original credits are there and, if so, could they be used? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 554 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Is this a re-release as in using the same UPC/EAN as the original release? If so the info comes from the original release. If it is a different UPC/EAN then the original release then the credits should match those of that release (uncredited allowed if you can verify them being in it). Sorry for the confusion. This is a new release of an older film. I shouldn't have used the term "re-release" as this has a different DVD-specific definition. I meant the film's US distributors recently restored the film, re-released it into theaters and put it out on home video but with significantly different credits than the ones appearing on the international DVDs. The international DVDs of the film include a 2-minute long credit sequence before the film starts, listing full cast and crew, studios, etc. There are no end credits. The version of the film on this Blu-ray contains a 30-second credit sequence at the top which lists the film's 3 main stars and the director. After the movie, there's an additional brief credit sequence which lists a few more cast & crew members. This new version omits credits for the film's studios and production companies, 24 cast members and about 30 crew members which appear in the international releases. The new credits are also in all caps, accent marks are missing, and some crew member names are spelled differently. The profile for this new US release (UPC 741952741893) currently contains a cast & crew list likely copied from an international release with the full credit sequence intact. I was wondering whether it'd be okay to keep these even if they don't reflect the credits on the disc. These people still worked on the film and were credited in the original version for 40+ years. Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: One of the reviews of this blu-ray says that the original ending montage is available as a special feature on the disc. If this is the case, perhaps the original credits are there and, if so, could they be used? The disc includes an alternate ending, but no alternate credit sequence. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection My Letterboxd Page | | | Last edited: by Rizor |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Unfortunately, the profile must match the film that is present on the disc, not what was released 40+ years ago. That means any crew not credited, must be removed and any cast not credited must be removed or converted to uncredited with the appropriate documentation. Studios, on the other hand, well, the rules do not specify where that information has to come from... While it may not seem to make sense, we have to remember that we are profiling the contents of the disc, not the actual film. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 554 |
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| Posted: | | | | I would demand a refund or toss the disc in the bin for such a complete lack of respect for the original film makers. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 554 |
| Posted: | | | | In doing some research, the credits were likely altered by Raymond Rohauer, who has been known to alter films for copyright reasons and has been described as a pirate. He acquired the US rights to the film in the '70s and Cohen Media Group, the current US copyright holders used his print of the movie with altered credits for the restoration and Blu-ray. Despite the altered credits and a slightly different edit of the ending (the reason an alternate ending is included in the supplements), the transfer on this new Blu-ray is terrific and this is the best treatment this forgotten classic has received on home video. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection My Letterboxd Page | | | Last edited: by Rizor |
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