Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3  Previous   Next
EVERY Blu-ray is Widescreen!
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMatrixTom
Buy. And be happy.
Registered: March 13, 2007
Belgium Posts: 85
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
MEA CULPA! We are indeed describing the video part within, thus a Full Frame Blu-ray indeed exists. The current "logo's" do indeed show Full Frame within 16x9. However this visualisation remains incorrect for non-anamorphic widescreen DVD's.


Gentlemen,

I noticed that indeed every Blu-ray Disc contains its main video in a widescreen ratio frame. Since we were used to contribute 1.33:1 in Full Frame, this happened with 90% of the Blu-ray profiles too. However this is entirely incorrect.

Shouldn't this be corrected for every profile?
 Last edited: by MatrixTom
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributortweeter
I aim to misbehave
Registered: June 12, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,665
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Skipped.  Based on the phrasing I have no idea what your options represent.
Bad movie?  You're soaking in it!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,736
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
You're saying that Blu-ray's of which the main feature is in the 1.33:1 aspect ratio (I've got quite a few of those) should be entered as "Widescreen 1.33:1", rather than "Full Frame 1.33:1"?
 Last edited: by T!M
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMatrixTom
Buy. And be happy.
Registered: March 13, 2007
Belgium Posts: 85
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Yes, sir!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,736
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
In that case, you might have given the voters on your poll a third choice: one for those who'd like to keep it as "Full Frame" anyway.

Look: *if* (and that's a big "if") the community agrees that these should be listed as "Widescreen", then I'm all for an automated contribution filter. But I'm not sure if that consensus really exists...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMatrixTom
Buy. And be happy.
Registered: March 13, 2007
Belgium Posts: 85
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Since the widescreen ratio frame (which contains the actual video, e.g. 1.33:1) is part of the HD standard (1920*1080), I believe the option to leave it "Full Frame" would be wrong anyway. No such thing exists.
 Last edited: by MatrixTom
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,736
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting MatrixTom:
Quote:
Since the widescreen ratio frame (which contains the actual video, e.g. 1.33:1) is part of the HD standard (1920*1080), I believe the option to leave it "Full Frame" would be wrong anyway. No such thing exists.

I understand the "technological" reasoning behind it, sure, but it wouldn't be the first time where how we handle something or label something in the DVD Profiler world is at odds with how the rest of the world sees it. I'm just saying that I'd like to know whether there's a consensus to list these as "Widescreen". If there is, then I agree that it would best be enforced by an automated contribution filter.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMatrixTom
Buy. And be happy.
Registered: March 13, 2007
Belgium Posts: 85
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I believe the Video Format "logo" in DVD Profile should represent the actual frame which contains the image (thus, including any black bar). However, this means that non-anamorphic DVD's shoud always be Full Frame (even when they contain Widescreen video), because that's what's been put out.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
Registered: March 14, 2007
Finland Posts: 2,337
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Absolutely NO! we're after Movie aspect ratio, not media frame aspect ratio. Or can you tell which media has Pan&Scan frame? 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMatrixTom
Buy. And be happy.
Registered: March 13, 2007
Belgium Posts: 85
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Kulju:
Quote:
Absolutely NO! we're after Movie aspect ratio, not media frame aspect ratio. Or can you tell which media has Pan&Scan frame? 


Then the Video Format "logo" is currently incorrect for any non-anamorphic title.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
agree with what the others here said. They pretty much already said it all. I won't vote in this poll.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,736
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting MatrixTom:
Quote:
However, this means that non-anamorphic DVD's shoud always be Full Frame (even when they contain Widescreen video), because that's what's been put out.

I can assure you: that's not what the users want.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributormreeder50
I was outta bullets
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
United States Posts: 2,749
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
If your saying the video format of the original The Day the Earth Stood Still on Blu-ray is anything other than Full Frame...I disagree.
Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002.
 Last edited: by mreeder50
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMatrixTom
Buy. And be happy.
Registered: March 13, 2007
Belgium Posts: 85
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
MEA CULPA! We are indeed describing the video part within, thus a Full Frame Blu-ray indeed exists. The current "logo's" do indeed show Full Frame within 16x9. However this visualisation remains incorrect for non-anamorphic widescreen DVD's.
 Last edited: by MatrixTom
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
Registered: June 21, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,621
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Let me see if I getting what's being offered here.

1.33 films on blu-ray are really widescreen because the disc uses the whole 1.78 frame (in fact, any blu-ray does this, so call them all widescreen no matter what the content ratio is?) and any non-anamorphic dvds are FF, even if they have a WS movie on them?
What happens with anamorphic dvds? Same as BD right, it uses the whole 1.78 frame even if some is blacked out. What about anamorphic dvds that have a movie or TV show that is 1.33 windowboxed? That would now read widescreen too?

I'm not a fan, at all. I see what you are saying and think I know what you getting at but it's not what the program is for or what most of want it for. Feel free to use the notes or just change all the ratios on your local if you want, but this won't fly here. We are tracking the ratios of the content, not the encoding.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 3,475
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
There should be another option: Other.

I don't agree with either option and don't want either one to be implemented.

It seems to me that this thread and it's request is not aimed for the basic user.

One should not be required to know or understand encoding in order to contribute data.
 Last edited: by Kathy
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3  Previous   Next