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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorM_E
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Due to a recently accepted contribution, I'm getting confused.

Simple question: how to we handle a release that holds multiple versions of the same movie? Example: a 8-disc release of the film "Insert Title Here", that contains the Theatrical Cut, two "International" Theatrical Cuts, a Director's Cut, a Producer's Cut, three Workprins, and an Ultimate Cut, scattered on five discs, including three discs of Bonus Materials (or any other variation of cuts and Bonus Materials).

Is this a Box Set, or a single movie release including the various releases as Bonus Feature Films? Or have I overseen a possibility given by the Contribution Rules?
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They would be a boxset not a bonus feature film. The bonus feature film would not include versions of the same film, but including as described in the rules a film such as the 1925 silent Ben-Hur along with the 1957 epic of the same title.9
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You don't seem to be describing any sort of seamless branching which was the reason the runtime allowed for the longest possibility. This in accord with the rules.
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This, in fact, is a matter of personal taste, because the rules do not really cover such a situation.

Some may argue that it's all just different versions of the same feature, so we only trace the data of the longest version. This is being the most basic variant.

The counter-argument will be that in this case a lot of Disc-data is lost (e.g. different Audio Tracks, Regions, even different Aspect Ratio is possible, not to mention possible differences in Cast and/or Crew).

Following this argument you'd get two possibilities:
1) Treat the set as boxset where each Feature-Disc gets it's own Child-profile.
If, for what reason ever, there are two different cuts on one disc, we again only trace the longer variant.

2) The, for many, optimum variant would be to create Child-profiles for every different version. If two, or more, versions share one disc, this will throw you back to manual profiles. These sadly wouldn't be contributable, so everyone would be doing the work all for him-/her-self.

Depending on your personal POV all three variants are more or less rule-compliant, none is really satisfying.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Your poll is flawed.  As this is a single film, there can be no profiles for the Bonus Material discs.  Those are only allowed when the bonus material covers multiple, different, movies in a set.
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Quoting M_E:
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Example: a 8-disc release of the film "Insert Title Here", that contains the Theatrical Cut, two "International" Theatrical Cuts, a Director's Cut, a Producer's Cut, three Workprins, and an Ultimate Cut

Now I'm confused.  Shouldn't the "theatrical cut" be the producer's cut, and shouldn't the "ultimate cut" be the director's cut? 

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Quoting Winston Smith:
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You don't seem to be describing any sort of seamless branching which was the reason the runtime allowed for the longest possibility. This in accord with the rules.


No, seamless branching is quite clearly described in the rules. I have no questions about that.

What I'm asking about are releases of multiple cuts of one movie on multiple disc. Such discs usually hold one alternate version of the movie. In some cases there can be multple versions on one disc, but they don't use necessarely seamless branching – especially German distributors prefer to include two or three distinct (but massively compressed) A/V-streams instead of seamless branching, because it's cheaper.

My question aims specifically at releases that are currently set-up under the Bonus Feature Film rule. For example the German releases of "Almost Famous", "The Butterfly Effect" and "Sin City" are currently set up that way, with one "main" disc/profile and the additional Director's Cut (often undubbed, only with subtitles) on a second disc. That's the way it has been done for quite a few years now. If the alternate versions of those movies (always on separate discs, never done by seamless or integrated branching) are now considered equal versions, all those releases need to be changed into Box Sets – which is quite the opposite of how it's been done until a few days ago.

I don't mind either way, I just want to have it done uniformly at the end. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorM_E
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Your poll is flawed.  As this is a single film, there can be no profiles for the Bonus Material discs.  Those are only allowed when the bonus material covers multiple, different, movies in a set.

I don't think there's a flaw. As you said yourself, it's a single film, so it can't be a Box Set by definition – containing two or more fillms. At least that's how I read the rules, and how it seems to have been once indended.

Counterquestion: how would you profile Bonus Material discs in this case? 
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Quoting M_E:
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For example the German releases of "Almost Famous", [...]


Now this is a special case, because the extended version of "Almost Famous" even has a different title ("Untitled"), so it does actually fall under the "Bonus Film"-rule.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Simple question: how to we handle a release that holds multiple versions of the same movie?

To answer your question, I believe I would profile the theatrical cut and add notes in the "Other Features" field about the additional cuts.

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Quoting M_E:
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Simple question: how to we handle a release that holds multiple versions of the same movie?

To answer your question, I believe I would profile the theatrical cut and add notes in the "Other Features" field about the additional cuts.


I would do the same and add all discs with a version of the movie on it to the list of discs
main feature disc id
directors cut (disc id)
etc
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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I don't think there's a flaw. As you said yourself, it's a single film, so it can't be a Box Set by definition – containing two or more fillms. At least that's how I read the rules, and how it seems to have been once indended.

Personally, I do not consider these Box Sets.  For me, the best bet would be 'Bonus Feature Film'.
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Counterquestion: how would you profile Bonus Material discs in this case? 

I wouldn't.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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