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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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I'm reviewing the profile for the German release of this film, and I have two questions.

1) The film proper ends at 1:18, but the track continues for another 5 minutes with no picture, but with sound that seems to be from some trailer. Which running time is correct for Profiler, 1:18 or 1:23?

2) Under Executive Producers there are two couples listed;
Tim & Rita Hildebrand
Jonathan and Susan Harris
Would the correct credits be Tim Hildebrandt [Tim & Rita Hildebrandt] etc. or just the four separate names without any credited as?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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I would not include the sound from a trailer so it should be 1:18 in my opinion.

When people are listed together, I've always seen them listed using the credited as feature.

Edit: Re: producer credit. I thought I'd double check the rules:

"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name."
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Nobody?

I would use the Run Time displayed by the player, and not a personal arbitrary interpretation.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Nobody?

I would use the Run Time displayed by the player, and not a personal arbitrary interpretation.

Exactly. That is the single most accurate source.

As for the producers I would likely just go with the four names. You could use credited as, but I am not sure that really brings anything to the table.
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1) The film proper ends at 1:18, but the track continues for another 5 minutes with no picture, but with sound that seems to be from some trailer. Which running time is correct for Profiler, 1:18 or 1:23?

Use the actual runtime of 1:18, not the one wrongly authored by the morons working at German crap-labels like Laser Paradise, MCP or Best Entertainment...

For crying out loud, Best Entertainment used to copy their old VHS tapes – including the existing trailers – encode them into one single MPEG-2 stream and put that whole crap onto a shiny disc! Yes, technically that disc is a DVD, but what you in fact hold in your hands is a poorly digitalized version of their gruesome VHS tape. So don't take good DVD authoring for granted – it's absolutly no problem for such labels to put an uncut 95-minutes FSK-18 version and a heavly cut 82-minutes FSK-16 version of the same movie in the same 98-minutes (!) authoring template. Still neither one of this films on DVD runs 1:38 – one is 1:35 and the other 1:22. There's really no discussion about this required.

It's very simple: state the change and the verification method (here: a simple audiovisual check) and contribute. No one sane will vote against that, as we check the Cover first, the physical Disc second, and the actual Content(!) third.

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Except that there is no such provision in the rules. The primary source is the disc itself, and we do not have the ability to make a decision,singly or as a group to decide what we think the runtime is or is not. Just follow the rules.
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Except that there is no such provision in the rules. The primary source is the disc itself, and we do not have the ability to make a decision,singly or as a group to decide what we think the runtime is or is not. Just follow the rules.


Except that there is such a provision within the rules:
"Use the Running time specified on the DVD cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Running time. When contributing an accurate, DVD-based, time from the DVD, round down from 29 seconds and up from 30 seconds in the nearest minute."

The cover says 80mins, GSyren is trying to determine if it's actually 78 or 83 mins from the actual dvd. I would go 78, but that's just me and I'm not always right. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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You are selectively reading the rules, parsec. Try starting with page one, then come back and tell me what the primary source of data should be whenever possible. That statement is supported by the runtime you wuoted
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As for the producers I would likely just go with the four names. You could use credited as, but I am not sure that really brings anything to the table.


Why is this not "selectively reading the rules"?
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Kathy

You butt in and then whine when you get bit.

She did not butt in.  This is a public forum and she asked a valid question.
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Thus particular issue is not specifically dealt with.

Why does it have to be dealt with specifically?  The only question that needs to be asked is, does person's name differ from the credited name?  If the answer is 'yes', then we use the credited as feature.
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I did allow that it could bhandled via credited as but I am not sure that brings anything useful ti the table.

It brings 'exactly as credited' to the table...which is what the rules require.  What more is needed?  If we do not have the ability to decide what we think the runtime is or is not, how can you decide what the actual credit is or is not?  Just follow the rules.
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I'm asking a legitimate question. I had quoted the rules earlier - here is the relevant section again:

""Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name."

Yet you state:

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As for the producers I would likely just go with the four names. You could use credited as, but I am not sure that really brings anything to the table.


How is this statement following the rules?

Why do you have a problem with me asking you this?

Quoting Kathy:
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As for the producers I would likely just go with the four names. You could use credited as, but I am not sure that really brings anything to the table.


Why is this not "selectively reading the rules"?


After all - it isn't that different from what you told parsec.

Quoting Winston Smith:
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You are selectively reading the rules, parsec. Try starting with page one, then come back and tell me what the primary source of data should be whenever possible. That statement is supported by the runtime you wuoted


In fact I deliberately quoted you because I don't understand your rationale.

Of course your statement is fine but mine is butting in and whining. 
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Then you have me confused. To e the rationale is both clear and obvious. Both in my initial comment and in my response to psrsec I see people selectively reading the rule. Including you all the time and amll too often. This is not the first time I have pointed out that the problems with interpretations of the rules is failure to read and grasp them in their entirety  or by taking one small phrase or even just one word and interpreting it completely outbid the context of totality. So much of this nonsense is so totally unnecessary but you aren't willing to listen. The concept if context and totality completely escapes you, or you don't care. I prefer the former.
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Btw Kathy many is the time I've asked question and been pilloried for doing so. Skips just one voice, pay him no mind. So....pardon Mr. But your question struck me as more designed to create an argument, than an answer.
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