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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | What's the production year for this movie? It premiered at the 2006 Mill Valley Film Festival, on October 15, 2006, but the general, "wide" U.S. release came on February 23, 2007. As a result of this, half of the profiles for this film in the database have 2006 as production year, while the other half has 2007. Which is it? Does the 2006 Mill Valley Film Festival count, for our purposes, or doesn't it?
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469263/
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut_Farmer
- http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=astronautfarmer.htm |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 |  Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it were me, and I owned this movie, I would look at the credits at the end of the film and look for the year listed there. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
If it were me, and I owned this movie, I would look at the credits at the end of the film and look for the year listed there. I understand, but per the rules, we don't do that. The rules (unfortunately) don't tell us to enter the year in which the film was produced, but the year in which it was released. With your approach, you're going to enter a "wrong" production year (as far as the online database is concerned, that is) for pretty much every film that is released in, say, the first quarter of any given year. Those are all gonna have a copyright date of the previous year in the end credits... Of course, I can fully understand anyone who chooses to disregard this particular rule as far as their local databases are concerned, and consistenly use the copyright date instead. But for contribution purposes, we need to follow the rules. Hence my question: does the film's premiere at the 2006 Mill Valley Film Festival count as the official "theatrical release" date, or doesn't it? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem is the rules tell us to use the theatrical release date not the production date in the credits.
So it comes down to whether a film festival release is counted as a theatrical release or not, something the rules don't clarify.
Is it the same as a limited theatrical release? Which I think most would assume equals the original theatrical release date (although I could be wrong). If it is then 2006, if not then it should be 2007. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know about anyone else.... and as far as I know Invelos never clarified... But I never have counted festivals I always used the year of the general release when there is one... I have seen times when the only public showing was a festival... then it goes directly to video. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Of course, I can fully understand anyone who chooses to disregard this particular rule as far as their local databases are concerned, and consistenly use the copyright date instead. But for contribution purposes, we need to follow the rules. Hence my question: does the film's premiere at the 2006 Mill Valley Film Festival count as the official "theatrical release" date, or doesn't it? Let me put it this way. You had 2006 or 2007. My first assumpton was you were wondering if imdb was correct, thus why I said I would look at the credits on the movie. But, now a question raises I was unaware of before.. isn't a festival still a theatrical release? I always thought it meant the first time it was shown in a theatre. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | A festival isn't the same as a general release. It is very limited and from what I understand many of them is invite only... not open to the general public. Which is why I always go with the general release open to everyone when possible. | | | | Pete |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
A festival isn't the same as a general release. It is very limited and from what I understand many of them is invite only... not open to the general public. Which is why I always go with the general release open to everyone when possible. But the Mill Valley Film Festival, the one we're talking about here, does sell tickets to the general public ( click!). But does that really matter? The rules certainly don't make that distinction, and surely we shouldn't be required to deeply research the nature of each and every film festival out there? In short: this film was shown in a theatre in 2006, and that showing was open to anyone who chose to buy a ticket. Now: does that qualify as the film's theatrical release, or doesn't it? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | True. But as stated the rules say theatrical release. There's nothing about the theatre being open to the general public. Interesting though, as there are a lot of dvd releases that go pretty much straight to dvd or only shown on tv. I assume in these cases, shown on tv = theatrical release. Otherwise there's a lot of profiles that have years when they shouldn't have  Edit: the above was to Addidcted2DVD's post T!M: 2006 - it's still a theatre it was shown in. | | | | Last edited: by Parsec |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | yes original airing on TV would be used.
In my opinion... such a limited release (many [I know not all] with invite only) is not the same thing. This is something that has come up many times before... and always ended in 2 groups each thinking their group was right.
Basically I believe it is something that Ken needs to clarify one way or the other. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 | | Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | @Addicted2DVD
Well if you guys ever have a vote on it in the rules forum in future - mark me down to have it as production year. At least that way it can be verified by the date on the cover and the credits on the disc and is then irrefutable. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | 2006 or 2007 either one is close enough for government work.
You know what that is:
Measure it with micrometer, mark it with a piece of chalk and cut it with an ax. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Srehtims: Quote:
2006 or 2007 either one is close enough for government work.
You know what that is:
Measure it with micrometer, mark it with a piece of chalk and cut it with an ax.  |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
A festival isn't the same as a general release. It is very limited and from what I understand many of them is invite only... not open to the general public. Which is why I always go with the general release open to everyone when possible. Not necessarily true. Every film festival I've attended has been open to the public. Actually, I'd argue that the majority of them are open to the public. My vote is 2006, when it premiered at a festival that was open to the public. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
My vote is 2006, when it premiered at a festival that was open to the public. That would be my choice as well. Eliminates the whole question of what is a "general", "wide", or otherwise considered a large enough public showing (those words btw are not used in the rules). That it was shown in public is good enough for me, and if it's not too long ago it's also fairly easy to document with festival programs, reviews and such. For older films I usually take whatever year the usual film encyclopedias give me. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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A festival isn't the same as a general release. It is very limited and from what I understand many of them is invite only... not open to the general public. Which is why I always go with the general release open to everyone when possible.
Not necessarily true. Every film festival I've attended has been open to the public. Actually, I'd argue that the majority of them are open to the public.
My vote is 2006, when it premiered at a festival that was open to the public. Same here. Been to a fair few festivals over the years with as much as two years between the dates I've seen a movie and it's wide release. The majority of the festivals I have been to have been open to the public - only two were press only. |
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