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Box Set Rule or Feature Film Rule
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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A Package of a single movie.

  Within the package it has 4 discs

1) Blu-ray 3D
2) Blu-Ray
3) DVD
4) Bonus

The package header Lists  Blu-ray 3D, Blu-Ray, DVD, Digital Copy (in that order)

According to the rules, Should it be Profiled with

    Blu-Ray 3D packaged as the "Parent",
      Disc Profiles for 2D, DVD

or

  Blu-ray (combo information of 3D and 2D) in "Parent"
      Disc profiles for 3D, 2D, DVD

Charlie
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You see.. no one is game to answer because no one is really quite sure and don't want to get into trouble or find out they done their existing profiles wrong...

Parsec (that's me talking to myself in 3rd person) knows this because Parsec has asked similar questions before which has ended up in Parsec having to re-submit lots of his profiles cause Parsec did them wrong first time....   

In your case, I would do it like one of those blu-ray/dvd/digital copy thingies in which case the entire thing is one profile - there are no child profiles. Apparently this is because all the discs relate to exactly the same movie - it's not really a box set. You just clarify each disc id with what it is eg: BD 3D - DVD - BD 2D - Bonus Materials

Now I'll sit back to find out from someone that I am wrong and I'll have to fix all my blu-ray/dvd/digital copy profiles again 
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I think the correct way would be the BR 3D as parent and the BR and DVD as child, if possible. Of course you'd have to own a BR drive.

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I thought we did Blu-Ray 3D packaged as the "Parent", Disc Profiles for 2D, DVD, but evidently some think the other option is correct
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Quoting Parsec:
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You see.. no one is game to answer because no one is really quite sure and don't want to get into trouble or find out they done their existing profiles wrong...

Nobody answered because CharlieM wrote it in the middle of the night.
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I see 3D as an unspoken extension of the combo rule. Rewritten to accomodate 3D Blu-ray, it could look something like this (text in bold is unchanged by me):
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"Sets containing the same film on multiple media types" (such as a Blu-ray 3D/Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) "are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type" (Blu-ray 3D in this example), "with all included media types checked." A combo which includes HD media (HD DVD, Blu-ray 3D, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the primary HD media in the main profile. However, you may add additional profiles by Disc ID for the secondary HD media and DVD content and add those profiles to the Box Set contents of the main profile.

Did that make sense?
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Quoting Parsec:
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In your case, I would do it like one of those blu-ray/dvd/digital copy thingies in which case the entire thing is one profile - there are no child profiles. Apparently this is because all the discs relate to exactly the same movie - it's not really a box set.

Only that the "Box Set" Rules specifically address Blu-ray/DVD combo packs and allow a Disc ID child profile for the second media type.
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Quoting CharlieM:
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A Package of a single movie.

  Within the package it has 4 discs

1) Blu-ray 3D
2) Blu-Ray
3) DVD
4) Bonus

The package header Lists  Blu-ray 3D, Blu-Ray, DVD, Digital Copy (in that order)

According to the rules, Should it be Profiled with

    Blu-Ray 3D packaged as the "Parent",
      Disc Profiles for 2D, DVD

or

  Blu-ray (combo information of 3D and 2D) in "Parent"
      Disc profiles for 3D, 2D, DVD

Charlie


In several threads and polls in the rulles committee forum the closest consensus was:

  Blu-ray (combo information of 3D and 2D) in "Parent"
      Disc profiles for 3D, 2D, DVD

Mainly because the child profiles are to be considered optional and doing it that way makes the parent show what is contained in the entire release (from a HD perspective).  The vast majority of 3D releases out there the 3D disc is a subset of the 2D disc from an audio/subtitle/feature perspective and are rarely the same in 3D/BD/DVD combo packs.

The main thing to consider is that the child profiles in combo sets are supposed to be considered as optional.  Many people do not like them and do not use them.

Most of the 3D/BD/DVD combos are profiled this way now.  Or at least the ones that are in my collection.  I cannot speak to ones that I cannot see.

The rules have yet to be adjusted to handle combo sets with two disics of HD content with the same movie which is where the current rule falls short.
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In several threads and polls in the rulles committee forum the closest consensus was:

  Blu-ray (combo information of 3D and 2D) in "Parent"
      Disc profiles for 3D, 2D, DVD

Mainly because the child profiles are to be considered optional and doing it that way makes the parent show what is contained in the entire release (from a HD perspective).  The vast majority of 3D releases out there the 3D disc is a subset of the 2D disc from an audio/subtitle/feature perspective and are rarely the same in 3D/BD/DVD combo packs.

The main thing to consider is that the child profiles in combo sets are supposed to be considered as optional.  Many people do not like them and do not use them.

Most of the 3D/BD/DVD combos are profiled this way now.  Or at least the ones that are in my collection.  I cannot speak to ones that I cannot see.

The rules have yet to be adjusted to handle combo sets with two disics of HD content with the same movie which is where the current rule falls short.



That same question, put out to the general public in the forum actually was the opposite (Not that polls mean a whole lot to the entire Profiler public at large). 

Even if the all the polls, were the same and a rule was presented to Ken, the rule change only becomes effective when Ken says it becomes effective. 

To contribute contrary to the rules is wrong, and to vote "no" when the rules say "yes" is also wrong.
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I know that box sets rules must apply irregardless of the format.

So what's the answer to Charlie's post? I'm not sure - so when these pop up I vote Neutral and move on.
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I know that box sets rules must apply irregardless of the format.


Except they never apply to a single film.
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According to the rules, Should it be Profiled with

    Blu-Ray 3D packaged as the "Parent",
      Disc Profiles for 2D, DVD

or

  Blu-ray (combo information of 3D and 2D) in "Parent"
      Disc profiles for 3D, 2D, DVD

I gave my brain 3 hours to boot and recognize the problem. But nothing happend.

So none of the two, Blu-ray Media Type to the main profile, all Disc Infos, optional DVD Media Type child, as The Rules say.
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I see 3D as an unspoken extension of the combo rule.

I don't, because 3D is not a Media Type like Blu-ray and DVD, it's just a Video Format detail.
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In several threads and polls in the rulles committee forum the closest consensus was:

  Blu-ray (combo information of 3D and 2D) in "Parent"
      Disc profiles for 3D, 2D, DVD

Mainly because the child profiles are to be considered optional and doing it that way makes the parent show what is contained in the entire release (from a HD perspective).  The vast majority of 3D releases out there the 3D disc is a subset of the 2D disc from an audio/subtitle/feature perspective and are rarely the same in 3D/BD/DVD combo packs.

The main thing to consider is that the child profiles in combo sets are supposed to be considered as optional.  Many people do not like them and do not use them.

Most of the 3D/BD/DVD combos are profiled this way now.  Or at least the ones that are in my collection.  I cannot speak to ones that I cannot see.

The rules have yet to be adjusted to handle combo sets with two disics of HD content with the same movie which is where the current rule falls short.



That same question, put out to the general public in the forum actually was the opposite (Not that polls mean a whole lot to the entire Profiler public at large). 

Even if the all the polls, were the same and a rule was presented to Ken, the rule change only becomes effective when Ken says it becomes effective. 

To contribute contrary to the rules is wrong, and to vote "no" when the rules say "yes" is also wrong.


Well I remember that poll. IMHO that poll did not completely describe the issue so that people not really familiar with the issue could make an informed decision.  And it was off the first page after a day so it is not likely that anough people saw it.

Also was it an incorrect contribution?

Even if as you say that the the bonus film rule applies as you stated in the PM you sent me.  For a long time (befire I got here) it has been allowed to profile bonus films as an optional child profile as long as they reside on a separate disc

Here are some:

The Ten Commandments - 097361434940
You've Got Mail - 883929156757
Malcolm X - 883929141111
The Excorcist - 883929007691
Goodfellas - 883929095971

And in fact here is the rule on Bonus Feature Films

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Create the profile for the main feature in line with the standard Contribution Rules with the title of the Bonus Feature Film added to the Other Features field. Create a child profile for the "Bonus Feature Film" using the individual UPC if available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not available. When creating a child profile, do not remove the "Bonus Feature Film" Disc ID from the main profile. When profiling the "Bonus Feature Film", only profile the data associated with that film. Any features associated with the Main Feature belong to the Main Feature profile. Add the additional profile to the Main Profile as a child profile via the Box Set button. Cover Images: Use the cover image from the Main Feature profile's packaging. Exception: If the "Bonus Feature Film" is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Quoting KinoNiki:
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I know that box sets rules must apply irregardless of the format.


Except they never apply to a single film.


It can be argued that multiple versions/formats are separate films. My computer can play a DVD but not a Blu-ray. 3D is another beast altogether.

Ken needs to update the rules or clarify this issue because there is not a correct answer for these contributions.
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Just to put things in context.  CharlieM's post is based on a contribution

"The Avengers" - 786936819670 (3D/BD/DVD) Combo

That profile has optional child profiles for the 3D, BD and DVD to show the individual contents of each disc and the parent profile is profiled as the union of the 3D and BD (not the 3D alone).

He has a pending contribution to remove the optional child profile for the 3D BD.
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