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Combo pack - where is the consistency?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorParsec
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Hey I just got my first declined on a contribution. However the reason given is correct and what I did was wrong. The title in question is The Avengers 9398541778078 Bluray/dvd combo pack. The dvd if added must be as a child (box set).

Ok, but my problem is that this is the first combo I have bought and thus the first I tried to do a contribution for. When doing something new I look at existing profiles, download them and use their format to ensure the format of my contribution is correct. This is where I have a problem.

John Carter 9398531777067 list 3 Disc ID's - 3D BD, BD and DVD - just what I got declined for.
Wrath of the Titans 9325336135624 list BD and DVD in the disc id's section
The Darkest Hour 9321337138565 lists 3D BD, BD and DVD in the disc id's section.

Now I am not complaining my contribution got declined, but I am complaining that there appears to be no consistency in the database and it's very frustrating to do all this to try and do the right thing and the stuff you are checking against is wrong in the first place. The above examples are fairly new releases here in Australia (all this year) and I don't understand how they get accepted.

Is there any way we can improve things for more consistency?
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all the disc ids should be in the main profile...
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all the disc ids should be in the main profile...


Nope

"you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile"

Doing what you said is why it got declined.
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Is there any way we can improve things for more consistency?


Sadly, no.


Not sure why they were declined because all the combo packs in my collection have all the disc IDs in the main profile and I've submitted many that way with no problem...
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Nope

"you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile"

Doing what you said is why it got declined.


yeah.. you can add an optional child profile if you want to but all the disc ids should be in the main profile
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But that's not what the contribution rules say.

"Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile."

So this gets even more confusing as the responses so far say what I did was right... The rules say different..

Can I scream now? :-)
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But that's not what the contribution rules say.

"Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile."

So this gets even more confusing as the responses so far say what I did was right... The rules say different..

Can I scream now? :-)


Ok, so what's the confusion? What Pro-Trek said is correct and is backed up by that rule (read the last line). An additional profile may be added (if you so choose, but it's not mandatory) via the disc ID.

It could very well may have been a mistake, though I don't know exactly what you submitted.
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So this gets even more confusing as the responses so far say what I did was right... The rules say different..

Actually, the rules don't say different.  The rules tell us to create a normal profile for the main media type.  Normal profiles follow the standard rules, and the standard rules tell us to "Add disc information for each disc using a DVD-ROM drive."

If that is what you did, then the decline was a mistake.
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Hmm the way I see it is that the BluRay/DVD combo should have been submitted as 2 profiles, the main one referring to the BD disc and it's id added and a second profile (child) which has it's own information and it's own disc id of the dvd. Then this second one should be added to the main profile as a child profile (boxset rule). Thus the main profile will only contain the disc id of the Blu-ray disc and the child profile will only contain the disc id of the dvd.

Thats what the reason I was given for the decline was inferring to as far as i can tell.
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Hmm the way I see it is that the BluRay/DVD combo should have been submitted as 2 profiles, the main one referring to the BD disc and it's id added and a second profile (child) which has it's own information and it's own disc id of the dvd. Then this second one should be added to the main profile as a child profile (boxset rule). Thus the main profile will only contain the disc id of the Blu-ray disc and the child profile will only contain the disc id of the dvd.


This isn't how it works in the Rules, as TheMadMartian and others state.

The main profile gets all the data (including Disc IDs for all the discs) and the child profile of just the DVD is optional.

This means if you use child profiles you get a duplication of some of the data, yes, but as it's optional, those who don't use child profiles still have all the information in the main profile.
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Agree with Pro_Trek, the Martian and Voltaire.

The decline was wrong.
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If the decline is wrong. What am I supposed to do about it?
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Screeners are people too.. they make mistakes... I would just resubmit (with clear notes) and maybe give a link to this thread to be on the safe side.
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Agree with Pro_Trek, the Martian and Voltaire.

The decline was wrong.

These two statements are in conflict.  As i read it Parsec said he didn't put the DVD Disc ID in the main profile, just in the optional child profile.

The DVD disc ID belongs in the main profile along with the BD disc ID (which is what Pro_Trek, the Martian and Voltaire said).
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I can see why this confusion could easily arise since combos are listed under the Box Set rules, when instead they are more like Bonus Feature Films which are listed in another part of the rules. Maybe these could be grouped together on the same page with a clear indication that neither should be entered as a bonafide Box Set.
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Agree with Pro_Trek, the Martian and Voltaire.

The decline was wrong.

These two statements are in conflict.  As i read it Parsec said he didn't put the DVD Disc ID in the main profile, just in the optional child profile.

The DVD disc ID belongs in the main profile along with the BD disc ID (which is what Pro_Trek, the Martian and Voltaire said).


Just to clarify, I submitted just one profile for the combo and put both id's (for the blu-ray and the dvd) in the profile. It was declined with ""you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile""

I sent a PM to the screener and asked him/her to view this topic and provide some clarification.

I don't think I'll re-submit until I get clarification because there are 2 other profiles submitted since (this was only released in Australia on Aug 29th). One of the others also looks like it is going to be declined and the other has no result yet. But I bet it gets thorugh as it has no Disc ID's or child profiles at all - which will annoy me as it will be an incomplete profile and I'll want to fix that. :-)
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