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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | I think this has already been discussed before but I couldn't find it on the Forum Search or Google.
The situation: Person A and B are credited as "A [Person A]/[Person B] Production" at the start of the film and later on Person A is credited again but as "Produced by [Person A]" in the opening credits.
Should I add Person A twice as Producer?
My thoughts about this case: Normally I would say no, just like we do with the cast. We don't list them twice when credited in the opening and end credits. By crediting Person A again in the actual crew credits without crediting Person B does tell us something about the importancy of that person though. Apparently Person A is of more significance. The Rules don't really help so please could you all help me out? | | | Cor | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | We never list crew twice for the same job, do we?
(I know some people prefer to enter song writers under group dividers for every song they wrote but that's not really covered by the rules either and imho it's not what group dividers was meant to cover.)
I'd say once is enough. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Should I add Person A twice as Producer? I wouldn't, but then I wouldn't even credit Person B as producer in this case, since Person A is explicitly credited as "Produced by" but Person B is not. --------------- |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | This specifically addressed in the Rules for the Producer credit: "A [name] Production". | | | Cor |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: (I know some people prefer to enter song writers under group dividers for every song they wrote but that's not really covered by the rules either and imho it's not what group dividers was meant to cover.) That's not really true. It gives context and there's no rule prohibiting this. But that's a complete other discussion and not really relevant in this case. By-the-way we also credit the same director, screenwriter etc. for each episode for a TV series. Just like each episode is a different piece, so is a song. In this case I'm inclined to add Person A just once. | | | Cor |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: This specifically addressed in the Rules for the Producer credit: "A [name] Production". I suppose we know for a fact that "A [Person A]/[Person B] Production" refers to Person A and Person B as producers rather than to "Person A/Person B Production Company"? Given the latter "Produced by" credit for Person A only I'm not sure about that. --------------- |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Quoting KinoNiki:
Quote: (I know some people prefer to enter song writers under group dividers for every song they wrote but that's not really covered by the rules either and imho it's not what group dividers was meant to cover.)
That's not really true. It gives context and there's no rule prohibiting this. But that's a complete other discussion and not really relevant in this case. By-the-way we also credit the same director, screenwriter etc. for each episode for a TV series. Just like each episode is a different piece, so is a song.
Utter nonsense. An tv-series episode is not like a song. In fact it's nothing like a song. Episode dividers and when to use them are explicitly covered by the rules. Group dividers doing extra duties as Song dividers is not. But as you say, neither is relevant in this discussion, but I chose to view the facts rather than conjecture. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting Corne:
Quote: This specifically addressed in the Rules for the Producer credit: "A [name] Production". I suppose we know for a fact that "A [Person A]/[Person B] Production" refers to Person A and Person B as producers rather than to "Person A/Person B Production Company"? Given the latter "Produced by" credit for Person A only I'm not sure about that.
--------------- Whether or not we know 'for a fact' is not relevant. As Corne indicates, the rules are quite clear that "A [name] Production (excluding company names)" equals a producer credit. As always, knowing what title we are talking about would add context, but I would only enter the person once. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | The title is The Name of the Rose. "A Bernd Eichinger/Bernd Schaefers Production". After the credits of the Executive Producers: "Produced by Bernd Eichinger". | | | Cor |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Whether or not we know 'for a fact' is not relevant. It's relevant because you must know that "[name]" is a person and not a company. --------------- |
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Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | Did they produce it twice? Otherwise I would say one producer entry is all you need. |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Whether or not we know 'for a fact' is not relevant. It's relevant because you must know that "[name]" is a person and not a company.
--------------- Usually company credits are credited as [name] Production s. Just to be sure I always double check whether it's a company or not. | | | Cor |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Whether or not we know 'for a fact' is not relevant. It's relevant because you must know that "[name]" is a person and not a company.
--------------- True enough...I misread your post. Quoting Corne: Quote: The title is The Name of the Rose. "A Bernd Eichinger/Bernd Schaefers Production". After the credits of the Executive Producers: "Produced by Bernd Eichinger". Bernd Eichinger was the head of Constantin Films when this film was produced. As the man in charge, he may have felt that he deserved an additional credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: Utter nonsense. An tv-series episode is not like a song. In fact it's nothing like a song. Episode dividers and when to use them are explicitly covered by the rules. Group dividers doing extra duties as Song dividers is not. But as you say, neither is relevant in this discussion, but I chose to view the facts rather than conjecture. It is fine to disagree and back it up by your arguments but calling another constructive argumentation as utter nonsense isn't. Moreover it's totally off topic bringing up another discussion. | | | Cor | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
It is fine to disagree and back it up by your arguments but calling another constructive argumentation as utter nonsense isn't. Moreover it's totally off topic bringing up another discussion. Then don't post nonsense, simple as that. Until then I'll call it for what it is. And it was you who brought up the discussion, I merely mentioned it in passing as it was pertaining to the issue of double credtis for the same job. Apparently it's a sensitive issue for somebody. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Whatever! | | | Cor |
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