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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantTV John
Registered: June 5, 2007
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Since upgrading to a hi def TV and blu-ray player I can no longer view films which are wide screen but not anamorphic/enhanced for WS in the correct aspect ratio. I was trying to find a way of filtering my collection in order to find all films that fit this criteria so that I can take a view about replacing them, but it seems to be pretty much impossible to do.

Am I being stupid, or are there a very large number of disks on the database which do not have this information correctly filled in?

Thanks

John
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Doesn't your TV have a zoom option which displays such films correctly? There really should be one. Have you tried the various aspect ratios available on your screen? What brand and model do you have?

Oh, and just to make sure: did you change your blu-ray player's settings to output the correct signal for your screen? All too often, the default settings do not give the correct result.

In general, from what I see, most profiles contain the correct information on anamorphic vs. non-anamorphic (the anamorphic box needs to be ticked when editing the profile, so it's not an automatic thing that it's set tot anamorphic). In recent years, very few non-anamorphic discs are being released. Of course, your mileage may vary...
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I'm at work, so don't have the program in front of me.  But I know that information is in the export.  If you use the csv plug-in and export your collection there are fields that indicate if it is Anamorphic, widescreen & Media type.

If you have Excel you can open the csv file, and filter on Media Type: DVD, Widescreen Format: Yes, Anamorphic Widescreen Format: No

Blu-rays are actually Non-Anamorphic, so if you have any you want to filter just for DVDs.

That should give you a list of all your non-anamorphic DVDs, well at least what DVDP has them listed as...
HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U  AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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Doesn't your TV have a zoom option which displays such films correctly? There really should be one. Have you tried the various aspect ratios available on your screen? What brand and model do you have?


I've played around with the Zoom on my TV, AVR and Player, and it usually looks pretty bad.  Luckily I don't have that many non-anamorphic titles as once I started collecting I'd try to avoid them unless it was really something I wanted as I assumed most would get re-released at some point.

I just did the filter that I suggested above, and found a good deal of DVDs that say they are non-anamorphic, but are newer, so I doubt they actually aren't.  Another thing I'll have to add to my to do list.
HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U  AVR: Onkyo TR-707
Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors  Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800
BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free)  HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander
BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii
Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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Quoting TV John:
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Since upgrading to a hi def TV and blu-ray player I can no longer view films which are wide screen but not anamorphic/enhanced for WS in the correct aspect ratio.


Wrong settings, somewhere. At the very least the HDTV should have a Zoom (full width while keeping the right ratio)

Supplemental: I couldn't bring my BD-Player to do the right thing either. Strange. Either this was an oversight or (which I prefer to think) they figured that a modern 16:9-TV should have some capacity to deal with the situation. But there is always my trusty old DVD-Player for such a thing, or as said the "Zoom". On my Sony I can even push the picture up so that subtitles at the bottom in the black are visible.

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I was trying to find a way of filtering my collection in order to find all films that fit this criteria so that I can take a view about replacing them, but it seems to be pretty much impossible to do.

In the Filters under Formats
[X] DVD (only makes sense for DVD in the first place)
[X] Widescreen
[ ] 16 x 9 enh

give me exactly those titles I'm looking for. At first glance only one error: the DVD-child of my Thor-BD claims not to be anamorphic, which I highly doubt.

cya, Mithi
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Figured there was a way to filter for it! 

I've got 80 on my list, but figure at least twenty of those are in fact anamorphic.
HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U  AVR: Onkyo TR-707
Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors  Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800
BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free)  HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander
BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii
Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server
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Figured there was a way to filter for it! 

I've got 80 on my list, but figure at least twenty of those are in fact anamorphic.

You might be surprised. I recently went through my collection and found only one that was improperly missing the anamorphic checkbox.
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20 might be pushing it, but the following are releases within the past 5 years that I doubt are non-anamorphic:
Fly Me To The Moon
An American Affair
Lymelife
Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs
My One and Only
The Freebie
Drive Angry
Win Win
The Perfect Host
Once
School For Scoundrels
the Return

I've watched Once just a bit ago and am pretty sure it is Anamorphic.  I'ma lso looking at an export from a few weeks ago.  I'll check these out tonight.
HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U  AVR: Onkyo TR-707
Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors  Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800
BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free)  HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander
BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii
Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
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Figured there was a way to filter for it! 

I've got 80 on my list, but figure at least twenty of those are in fact anamorphic.

You might be surprised. I recently went through my collection and found only one that was improperly missing the anamorphic checkbox.


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Thanks for all your replies. To answer some of the doubters out there, the TV is a Sony KDL-40EX503 and the BD player is a Sony BDP-S350. The TV has various zoom options, but if the signal is coming in via the HDMI input then stretching a non-anamorphic disk to the correct format is not one of them. The only way I can do it is to put the disk in the DVD recorder and use SCART instead of HDMI. This is a bit of a palaver to go through whenever I want to view one of these disks. I guess Sony assume that any signal coming in via HDMI will be correctly formatted.

As for the filtering, I was doing exactly what Mitchi suggested and getting an awful lot of films listed that I know are anamorphic. I have 650 DVDs (excluding Blu-Ray disks) in my collection, of which 521 are marked as wide screen and 47 are not flagged as anamorphic. Looking through these there are many which I know are anamorphic: to select a few from the start of the list we have Blade Trinity, Bones Series 6, Despicable Me, Good Will Hunting, Harry Potter + the Deathly Hallows Part 1, Ice Age 2 & 3, Kung Fu Panda ... the list goes on.

Some of them are because they are the 'box' for a collection: eg. The Lord of the Rings extended edition is marked this way, but none of the disks in the collection are listed. In this case I feel the overall collection should also be marked as anamorphic, though I haven't checked what the policy is on this. The complete Poirot also appears with none of the disks, but in this case it's less clear how to mark it correctly since the early episodes were made in 4:3 while the later ones are anamorphic widescreen.

I guess I will just have to be a good citizen and go through them all ensuring they are correctly flagged and then updated the profiles.

John
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Thanks for all your replies. To answer some of the doubters out there, the TV is a Sony KDL-40EX503 and the BD player is a Sony BDP-S350. The TV has various zoom options, but if the signal is coming in via the HDMI input then stretching a non-anamorphic disk to the correct format is not one of them. The only way I can do it is to put the disk in the DVD recorder and use SCART instead of HDMI. This is a bit of a palaver to go through whenever I want to view one of these disks. I guess Sony assume that any signal coming in via HDMI will be correctly formatted.


This is the same player that I gave my girlfriend and I've never seen any problems with dvd playback on the Sony. You need to check that the output from the sony is set to the correct ratio - widescreen, and that the TV plays everything by default as widescreen.

it's been a while since I setup the player (and ensured it was the correct settings) so I'm afraid I can't remember all the settings I did change

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Some of them are because they are the 'box' for a collection: eg. The Lord of the Rings extended edition is marked this way, but none of the disks in the collection are listed. In this case I feel the overall collection should also be marked as anamorphic, though I haven't checked what the policy is on this. The complete Poirot also appears with none of the disks, but in this case it's less clear how to mark it correctly since the early episodes were made in 4:3 while the later ones are anamorphic widescreen.



I think you need to download all the children profiles for a start since all the individual profiles will have the information correctly set.
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I think you need to download all the children profiles for a start since all the individual profiles will have the information correctly set.


Yes, I have all the child profiles. The point I was trying to make here is that when all the children are marked as anamorphic widescreen, as with LOTR, it seems illogical that the parent isn't. This isn't really a problem because it's clear that it's the parent, it just upsets my sense of orderliness.

Thanks for your suggestion on the BD player. I've looked through the instructions again and can see a setting that may have a bearing on the display format, though it isn't obvious. I'll give it a go when I get home.

John
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In the past I have been using that same blu-ray player in combination with a Panasonic plasma.  I do not recall having such problems with non-anamorphic DVDs - I used the TV's zoom settings to get the correct aspect ratio.

There's a thread in the AVForums, post #969 and further, where a guy had the same problem. Seems the solution is to go into the Video Settings of your player and set them to
TV Type - 16:9
Screen Format - Original
DVD Aspect Ratio - Letter Box
and then use the Zoom mode on your Sony screen.

Good luck!
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Ok, had a play with the controls yesterday and set the screen format to original. I guess it's an improvement, but it means that 4:3 programs no longer fill the screen unless I zoom in. It's a bit frustrating that the situation is actually slightly worse than with my old CRT TV, which just used to cope with every format thrown at it.

Anyway, thanks for the help.

John
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Probably that's actually due to the fact that you're now connecting through HDMI. If you were to connect using a component or even a composite connection, you would probably find your screen adjusting automatically to the screen format it's being fed. Then again, those connections (especially composite) will not give you the same image quality. So I guess it's one or the other...

You might try it with a component connection (red, blu and green connectors for the video signal, red and white for audio) or if need be a composite connection (one yellow connector for video). Set your screen's aspect ratio to Auto (or whatever it's called on a Sony screen).

I'm having a similar issue with my cable TV decoder - whenever I'm watching a broadcast in letterbox format (e.g. the MGM and TCM channels), I have to manually zoom in to avoid black bars on all four sides of the screen. If I use a non-HDMI connection, my screen adjusts automatically.
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