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Question about Sound credit
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorLeiterfluid
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm working on the King of the Hill Seasons 2-6 profiles, and there's a Sound Supervisor and a Production Sound Mixer listed in the credits of each episode.  What is the rationale behind not listing the Sound Supervisor (as Sound) if there's a Production Sound Mixer?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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There was no rationale speciic to that particular credit.  The desire, by a small yet vocal group, was to eliminate what they felt was a loophole in the 'sound' credits.  In the rush to close that loophole, no thought was given to whether or not any of the credits in that section might be credits that deserved to be tracked.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorLeiterfluid
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Sounds like I should just submit my data, and take my chances with the screeners.
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Sound Supervisors should be added. I still think it's very strange that the rules are telling you to omit the Sound Supervisor if a Production Sound Mixer is credited.
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Sounds like I should just submit my data, and take my chances with the screeners.



Unfortunately, that would be against the rules.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorLeiterfluid
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Yeah, that is unfortunate.  But I'll leave it up to the voters and screeners to decide if they want to reject accurate data in favor of a rule that asks to ignore a perfectly valid crew entry.  I'm more than happy to keep my changes local.

I don't have access to the rules committee forum, otherwise, I'd raise this issue there. 
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Yeah, that is unfortunate.  But I'll leave it up to the voters and screeners to decide if they want to reject accurate data in favor of a rule that asks to ignore a perfectly valid crew entry.  I'm more than happy to keep my changes local.

I don't have access to the rules committee forum, otherwise, I'd raise this issue there. 


Well, you're showing right there that you're willing to contribute incorrect data against the rules just because of what you feel is right and wrong.

It doesn't matter if you personally think the rules are wrong, you have to respect them if you're going to contribute. You can always keep things local, but don't try to force incorrect data into the database.

You can easily ask to gain access to the rules forum and argue against it there...
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Yeah, that is unfortunate.  But I'll leave it up to the voters and screeners to decide if they want to reject accurate data in favor of a rule that asks to ignore a perfectly valid crew entry.  I'm more than happy to keep my changes local.

I don't have access to the rules committee forum, otherwise, I'd raise this issue there. 


It might very well be that you are correct in wanting this data to be entered into the online database. But, at this point the data is not allowed.

If you contribute this information now, you will be knowingly contribute data that violates the rules:

"As part of our ongoing quest to maintain, improve and refine our DVD database, we have created these rules. These rules apply to online contributions. You can use DVD Profiler locally, or you can contribute to the main online database, or you can do both. If you want to contribute to the online database, the rules tell you how to complete each DVD Profiler field."

The next part is especially important and I've highlighted a relevant section:

"If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules. DVD Profiler allows you to lock your data so that it is not overwritten by updates from the main database."

This information can be found in the rules here: http://invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=introduction.


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I don't have access to the rules committee forum, otherwise, I'd raise this issue there. 


Why don't you sign up for access to that forum? Ideas are always welcome and you can help improve the database. All you need to do is request access: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorLeiterfluid
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Unfortunately, I can't submit individual cast & crew entries, so it's either all or nothing, and I'm not going to remove valid data from my profile just to submit and re-add it locally.  Looks like I'll just keep my work to myself.
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I'm not going to remove valid data from my profile just to submit and re-add it locally.

I do this all the time.  I simply copy the cast or crew list and paste it into Notepad, remove the offending entry or entries, contribute, then copy and paste the cast or crew back into the profile.  It isn't all that difficult...at least not in my opinion. 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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It is even easier than that.

Highlight the profile.
Under file menu, click "Create Profile File".  This will create a update file for the one profile.

Change for contribution.

Locate file on drive, double click, and proceed with local update.  No copy and paste

Charlie

P.S.  This is also a nice way to share a custom profile with another user, just email them the profile file.
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This rule (as some other rules as well) is far from reality. A Production Sound Mixer and a Sound Supervisor have nothing in common except the fact that they are in film sound business. Especially in this case, where a Production Sound Mixer and a Sound Supervisor are both credited, it is absolutely clear, that they do different jobs, both in a comparable leading position. If there's a necessitiy for ranking, the Sound Supervisor is even more important than the Production Sound Mixer, because the latter is just in charge of the set sound recording, while the Sound Supervisor is a kind of Sound Director of the whole film project. So Leiterfluid is absolutely right. Before defining these strict rules, the responsible persons should ask the people who work in the business.
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Unfortunately, I can't submit individual cast & crew entries, so it's either all or nothing, and I'm not going to remove valid data from my profile just to submit and re-add it locally.  Looks like I'll just keep my work to myself.


Want an even easier way?
Change the roles of the ones you shouldn't contribute to "other", then they don't show up on the contribution. After contributing, change em back to what they are. Just a couple extra clicks and everyone's happy!
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorLeiterfluid
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that might be true if there weren't something like 18 profiles with roughly six episodes per profile to submit. 
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Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
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Looks like I'll just keep my work to myself.

Want an even easier way?

It looks like he's already discovered the easiest way.

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