Author |
Message |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Well we all know it is and sometimes can be disc ID ,, UPC code , Rating system will be different , front-Rear scans may have a slight different look to the artwork layout .. But when it comes to the DVD movie itself including its menu and all options 'within' would relate to the edition of the title.. Therefore The Basic Information/ Release Information/ genres/ Video Formats/ Studios/ Production Year / Country of Origin/ Features / Audio / Crew/ Cast / and (possibly) the Overview and Eggs if any. NTSC only ( PAL excluded form this )
Point is I know that more than half or more of you don't really think or care about the locality in the long run.. as most releases are released in the USA locality when title is first released .. These titles then get major upgrades and updates over the many months and years to follow .. For some of us who pick a re release later and follow the UPC code to include in our Profiler under the proper locality we can in due course find out later that very little upgrades have been addressed to that title .. so if a member with USA locality makes some major changes to crew and cast (with dividers say) .. and that title may get ( if a super popular title ) as many as 50 60 votes in Yes .. That same title under another locality may get an upgrade in cast dividers and may only receive as little as 2 votes .. and both will be accepted to data and sadly both titles are not in sync with each other ..
I would really like to see a discussion on why these said titles can't be grandfathered together with the above observations I have quoted ... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
|
Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | What you're basically saying is that DVD profiles and movie profiles should be two different things and that a DVD profile can be married with one or several movie profiles.
Also there can be more than one movie profile for the same movie to distinguish different credit (e.g. LOTR theatrical vs. SEE).
That's a long standing feature request but would require a major overhaul of the database.
Unless I misunderstood you. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
| | | Last edited: by DJ Doena |
|
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | YES but if you take the example of LOTR theatrical verses SEE (?) there will still be two localitys (or more) of said version .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
|
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | BTW I never said to marry verisons between theatrical directors editions/ special edition /Ultra edition etc etc etc . .
JUST the same edition .. or are you still not sure? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
|
Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | OK, let me explain what the general idea was years ago.
You have the movie The Incredible Hulk. There's only one cut edition and the credits are always the same.
Now you have a US DVD, a Britisch DVD and a German DVD.
The US DVD is NTSC with a running time of 100 minutes, the european versions are PAL with 96 minutes. Also the Germans screwed up and cropped the aspect ratio from 1.85 to 2.35.
Now you have three different DVD profiles. US-100-1.85, UK-96-1.85 and DE-96-2.35.
But they all link to the same movie profile where the whole community did the credits once and everytime the credits get updated because of a birth year or common name or whatnot, all Hulk profiles get updated simultaneously (I'll never learn to write that word correctly...).
And then you have an animated movie like WALL-E where the end credits change per country because the german voices are listed.
Then you have n>1 profiles for the movie and the German DVD gets assigned the German movie profile and the US DVD gets assigned the US movie profile. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
| | | Last edited: by DJ Doena |
|
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: .. and both will be accepted to data and sadly both titles are not in sync with each other .. Why should they? I'm not quite sure where you are going but there seems to be some major misnaming regarding Localities and Re-Releases/Re-Editioning going on. Profiles of different Localities can have different cast and crews in their credits so to link them to one set of cast/crew you would have to abandon the "only from the credits"-rule at start. And frankly I'm not sure that this is worth the trouble. Quote: Therefore The Basic Information/ Release Information/ genres/ Video Formats/ Studios/ Production Year / Country of Origin/ Features / Audio / Crew/ Cast / and (possibly) the Overview and Eggs if any. eh ... No on "Video Format", "Features", "Overview", "Easter Eggs" and Hell No on "Audio" cya, Mithi | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
|
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | I seem to be having a good fight here with European formats of which North America ( retail ) never buy sell or distribute on this side of the ocean .. Maybe my post should be only about USA and Canadian . Both are in NTSC and both are English/French.
Of course PAL and NTSC are differant speeds and differant times and maybe even differant ratios ..
BUT the film it self the actual on screen movie that starts with the company logo and ends with the screen credits .. these are the main areas of my concern .. When I find a major title in the database of possibly 30 upc/ean between locality's and editions there is a major plethora of inconsistancys .. and 90 % is due to cast and crew . | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
|
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | You know after reading the eurpean counter attacks I admit I will rescind .. I think the best thing to do for my dilemma is to change all my titles regardless of localty .. - to USA .. simple fix .
therefore I'll know I'll have the most up to date information .. I always lock off my scans so I could still use Canadian scans but change the locality to USA .. Most of all NTSC dvd's are pressed only in a handful of plants around the USA and Canada ( have no idea about European) . Therefore these discs are then shipped north of the border to awaiting further plants for upgrade new covers (hence the locality issue).
For every 10 usa contributors / there is only one Canadian contributor and that contributor ( including me) gets their data from the USA location ..,
I would never even contemplate for a second on getting this data information from a European locality .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
|
Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: You know after reading the eurpean counter attacks I admit I will rescind This has nothing to do with "european counter attack" just with the subset of data you can put into the (let's call it) basic profile. There are enough US profiles out there that differ from their Canadian counterparts - even if it's only the additional french subtitle track for the province of Quebec. If you re-read my post I'm totally with you on the basic movie issue. But audio tracks and unfortunately even aspect ratio is bound to the specific DVD and not the movie. I don't know if you were there at the time but we even added another locality (Quebec) to the already existing Canada to differentiate between even more releases. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
| | | Last edited: by DJ Doena |
|
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Didn't mean counter attack just that I only heard from european profilers andnot any from USA .. I admit I wasn't even thinking about other localitys apart from USA/Canada ,, ( just as USA never thinks about canada .. ) .. I contributed the T2 Ultimate DVD the other day and after three days only had 4 hits ,, chnaged the locality (same notes) to USA and within 30 hours got 40 votes .. This is what I was trying to get around .. anyway in the process of changing around 200 out of 1400 titles from canada to usa and only found one so far (after 60 titles) that Canada had more profiling than the usa counterpart ... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
|
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Only thing that would make sense is to bind certain information to the Disc-ID rather than the profile as suggested by SpaceFreakMicha hereAlthough we than would have to distinguish between a Profile with Disc-ID/Locality and the, let's name them Sub-Profile bound to a Disc-ID. Seeing how many user already seem to be confused by the fact that profiles can contain Disc-IDs and at the same time have them as primary-key ... that would need some serious contribution-guide-writing. cya, Mithi | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki | | | Last edited: by Mithi |
|
Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Color me confused. Is this a feature request? Yes, it's annoying that when someone in a popular movie gets a birth-year change, there can be eighty-plus profiles to update between all the countries and re-releases and the unpopular releases in small countries will probably never be fixed, but I don't see what this forum is supposed to do about it. |
|
Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | This has been discussed sooooo, many times and the correct forum should be feature request, but let's go again.
IMHO only correct method to do this would be a complete Cast & Crew overhaul where we have two separate fields for both Cast & Crew. The other one would be, let's call it "Original Credits" and those should be shared with all the profiles with same Original title, Production year and Director . Addition to these we should have "Localized Credits" which would be tied to that particular release. This way we could have shared original credits and on top of those add localized credits, for example in animations.
Localized credits could also be used to fix (very rare) variations on "Original Credits" between different releases or cuts.
"Final credits" (which you see when you're not in edit mode" would be parsed from these tables. This way we could have shared credits AND maintain "as created" policy with credits that varies between releases.
This was just very simplified idea how it would work. We still would have to decide how to handle TV-series episodes, etc. etc. |
|