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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | If a series has dual-sided DVDs (e.g. a lot of Universal releases), is it okay to profile it by side instead of disc?
I say yes. The whole idea of disc-level profiles is to break series in more manageable parts. Breaking a season into six parts gives you a lot information than breaking into three parts. Thus, the purpose of the rules is better fulfilled than profiling by sides instead of discs.
If a series is already entered by disc, is it okay to break it up into sides?
Again, I say yes. The rule's purpose is fulfilled better this way and the alternative is to have a profile with eight episodes for the whole discs and a separate profile with the latter four duplicated. This doesn't help anyone. Therefore, it's best to delete the side B data from one profile and create a new profile containing this data.
I've seen this go both ways in having stuff accepted. It seems mainly driven by the whims of whoever bothers to vote. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: It seems mainly driven by the whims of whoever bothers to vote. Isn't that the way it always works? I have no problem with profiling each side. We do it for movies. --------------- |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Unfortunately the rule for disc level profiles can be read both ways in this case. Quote: Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. It says individual profiles for each disc. Some read it as a profile per disc... others read it as there can be 2 profiles per disc. So until such time it is clarified by invelos... everyone's opinion is just as good as anyone else. I can personally see how it is being read by both groups... so would love to see a clarification. But on a personal note... I much prefer 1 profile per disc for TV Series sets. | | | Pete |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | I think the rules were written back before DVD-18s for TV were a thing. |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: I think the rules were written back before DVD-18s for TV were a thing. Regardless, the rules are clear for TV series...use disc-level profiles, not side-level. See the section here that says Disc Level Profiles. A disc is a physical thing. It is quite unambiguous. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: I think the rules were written back before DVD-18s for TV were a thing. Actually it wasn't... I had several sets that were duel sided even before we were allowed to do disc level profiles for TV Series. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: I think the rules were written back before DVD-18s for TV were a thing. Regardless, the rules are clear for TV series...use disc-level profiles, not side-level.
See the section here that says Disc Level Profiles. A disc is a physical thing.
It is quite unambiguous. It is true... that section of the rules is called Disc Level Profiles,. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Unfortunately, I have to agree with tweeter...it seems pretty clear. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 868 |
| Posted: | | | | Than again, the rules also mention two movies, each on one side of a disc, is a boxset. So you could make a case in seeing each side as a profile
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Agree with Tweeter and Martian... yes it says you can (and should) do one profile per film if they are on different sides of a disc but for TV it refers to per disc (and even then I must point out these disc level profiles are optional); any more granularity IMO should be local only | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | I've done a lot of my british dual-sided TV discs with one profile per side and never got heat for it.
Some people prefer one profile per season and some want the data a little more detailed. So I see no problem for the latter to use as many profile identifiers as are available.
If I have to remove the disc from the drive to watch another episode, for me it's the same as putting in a whole different disc. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: If a series has dual-sided DVDs (e.g. a lot of Universal releases), is it okay to profile it by side instead of disc?
I say yes. As do I. When submitting 'disc-level'-profiles, the profiles are submitted by DiscID and as both sides have their own DiscID they both should be utilized. We do it for movies, we should do it accordingly for TV-Series, if the rules need to be clarified for this, then do so. Not to mention that Dual-sided DVDs really are 2 discs glued together, literally. cya, Mithi | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I think the best approach to handle dual sided discs is to simply use dividers. To do it using children would have some minimal benefits but it would also introduce phantom non-existent discs which the program would be counting as real. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | It's funny as if a 2 movie set has both films on one side, it's considered a solo disc for profiling. Now put one movie on each side, and then both sides become child profiles for the parent set. Seems like it should be similar for TV... |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote: It's funny as if a 2 movie set has both films on one side, it's considered a solo disc for profiling. Not so much "considered" as more "there is no other way (right now)" as we simply have one unique-key to few to profile two movies on one disc-side discrete. cya, Mithi | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki | | | Last edited: by Mithi |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote: It's funny as if a 2 movie set has both films on one side, it's considered a solo disc for profiling. Now put one movie on each side, and then both sides become child profiles for the parent set. Seems like it should be similar for TV... To me the difference is that the movies are (potentially) totally unconnected so (when possible, ie when one on each side) we profile separately as they could/will have totally different: titles, genres, production date, extras, video, audio, cast, crew etc. For TV most of these things will be identical so I don't understand the need (or desire) to break them down into separate profiles. | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
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