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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 9 |
| Posted: | | | | The legendary sound guy Roger Heman, Sr. born in 1898.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002703/
And he's son, Roger Heman, Jr. born in 1932.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0375947/
Roger Heman, Sr. is credited as Roger Heman in most of my profiles (Crew information: Roger Heman, Sr.), The Lifeboat, Kiss of Death, The Grapes of Wrath etc.
But also as Roger Heman (1898) and Roger Heman (1932)...
Roger Heman (1932) is even credited (wrongfully) in the Fox Film Noir movie I Wake Up Screaming - from 1941... |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Needs two threads (Heman vs Heman, Sr. and Heman vs Heman, Jr.) because the common name for one is not relevant to the common name for the other. There is already approved birth years to separate the two, regardless of the common name. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm almost 100% sure that the common name for Sr. is Roger Heman:
I can confirm this for the following 4 titles (all for Sound): All About Eve (1950) Dragonwyck (1946) The Ghost and Mrs. Muir (1947) Jane Eyre (1944) | | | Cor |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | And I can confirm that "Roger Heman" is credited for sound in the following:
The Black Swan (1942) Call Northside 777 (1948) Charley's Aunt (1941) Demetrius and the Gladiators (1954) How Green Was My Valley (1941) I Was a Male War Bride (1949) Miracle on 34th Street (1947) Les Misérables (1935) Les Misérables (1952) The Ox-Bow Incident (1943) The Rains Came (1939) Rawhide (1951) The Robe (1953) Second Honeymoon (1937) Son of Fury: The Story of Benjamin Blake (1942) This Above All (1942)
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 79 |
| Posted: | | | | Three more for Roger Heman: - Nightmare Alley (1947) - The Fan (1949) - Night and the City (1950) |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | It is absolutely Roger Heman, minus the Sr. He didn't really start using that until late in his career. Personally, I use both the Sr and the Jr locally simply because it seemed just plain silly to bother with birth years since there was this nice obvious delineator. If you insist on a comprehensive list, I can confirm the following, all as Roger Heman:
As Young as You Feel The Gorilla Belles on Their Toes Blood and Sand Cafe Metropole Captain from Castile Cheaper by the Dozen Day-Time Wife The Dolly Sisters Down Argentine Way Drums Along the Mohawk The Gang's All Here Garden of Evil Gentlemen's Agreement Gentlemen Prefer Blondes Girls' Dormitory The Grapes of Wrath Greenwich Village The Gunfighter Guys and Dolls Heaven Can Wait (1943) The Hound of the Baskervilles The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes How Green was my Valley How to Marry a Millionaire If I'm Lucky In Old Chicago Jesse James Johnny Apollo Kiss of Death Lifeboat The Lodger Love is News The Luck of the Irish Man Hunt The Mark of Zorro Monkey Business Moon Over Miami My Darling Clementine Niagara Prince of Foxes The Return of Frank James River of No Return Something for the Boys State Fair That Wonderful Urge The Three Musketeers (1939) Titanic (1953) Unfaithfully Yours We're Not Married Week-End in Havana A Yank in the R.A.F. Young Mr. Lincoln | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 9 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Personally, I use both the Sr and the Jr locally simply because it seemed just plain silly to bother with birth years since there was this nice obvious delineator. Just what I think. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: There is already approved birth years to separate the two, regardless of the common name. There is indeed, but for the record: that's not "regardless of the common name". If one of their common names included the suffix, using a birth year wouldn't be allowed, and the birth years would be put on the "invalid"-list immediately. But since both their common names are "Roger Heman", no suffix, the birth years are needed. |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | I know that's the rule or system, but can someone explain what the problem is? What harm would the BYs do, as long as they are correct? Or like in this case, we find out that "Sr." is a minority (I personally use it any way, as others above), and than we the BYs suddenly come in handy and we are lucky that we already have them. | | | Hans |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Roger Heman Jr.: 10 Titles Battle of Midway (1976) The Concorde... Airport '79 (1979) The Eiger Sanction (1975) Family Plot (1976) probably uncredited Gotcha! (1985) Jaws (1975) probably uncredited Midway (1976) Psycho III (1986) Slap Shot (1977) Somewhere in Time (1980)
Roger Heman: 12 Titles All Night Long (1981) Coal Miner's Daughter (1980) Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982) Gotcha! (1985) Heartbeeps (1981) House Calls (1978) Psycho II (1983) Psycho III (1986) Rage of Angels: The Story Continues (1986) Raggedy Man (1981) Somewhere in Time (1980) Weird Science (1985)
Roger H. Heman, Jr. 1 Title How to Frame a Figg (1971) | | | Cor |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: I know that's the rule or system, but can someone explain what the problem is? No, I'm afraid I don't know why we don't just add birth years to everyone - "that's the rule" seems to be all we've got on the matter. Not that I have a problem with it - whenever we need birth years, the current system allows them, so there's no downside - but I don't know why. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Staid S Barr:
Quote: I know that's the rule or system, but can someone explain what the problem is? No, I'm afraid I don't know why we don't just add birth years to everyone - "that's the rule" seems to be all we've got on the matter. Not that I have a problem with it - whenever we need birth years, the current system allows them, so there's no downside - but I don't know why. Yes, there is a downside. Let's say that we've researched and determined correct birth years because of duplicate common names. At some point later, one common name changes and we have to remove the birth year. We're now removing known good data even though it may be necessary in the future if the common name shifts again. There is no good reason to remove a BY once it has been verified and approved. --------------- |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Yes, there is a downside. Let's say that we've researched and determined correct birth years because of duplicate common names. At some point later, one common name changes and we have to remove the birth year. We're now removing known good data even though it may be necessary in the future if the common name shifts again. When that happens, we'll simply re-add the birth year - simple as that. So I don't see the downside at all - if anything, not this, but our system of ever-changing common names has major downsides, but that's an entirely different issue altogether. Still, I don't know why Invelos has decided against "let's just add birth years to everyone". But now that they have, I'm fine with it. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, considering that it can be quite challenging finding the correct birthyear, particularly for older actors, perhaps limiting their entry is a good idea. There have been any number of times that multiple sources have listed conflicting BYs so it's not exactly the easiest data to find. |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Well, considering that it can be quite challenging finding the correct birthyear, particularly for older actors, perhaps limiting their entry is a good idea. There have been any number of times that multiple sources have listed conflicting BYs so it's not exactly the easiest data to find. I would not argue to enter BYs all over the place. But once they are entered and verified, I'd leave them in, especially since they may not be easy to find (again). | | | Hans |
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