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Registered: October 3, 2009 | Posts: 2 |
| Posted: | | | | I just saw that the contribution of the double Blu-ray disc set for "In 3 Tagen bist du tot" was deleted. A user stated as reason "screener - delete this profile - it's an austrian release". As far as I know this BD is an official release and I don't see a reason why an austrian version of a film may not be contributed. http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=455261&PageNum=LAST Can anybody say what's wrong with this profile? | | | Don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience! (Dilbert) |
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Registered: June 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 305 |
| Posted: | | | | It's a perfectly legal release which I also do own (9120026070465). As "In 3 Tagen bist du tot" and its successor ARE Austrian movies, it's pretty obvious, that there also is an Austrian "Filmladen" release for it.
One more reason to have a local database without outside influence.
PS: As MickeySpoon normally does some decent work on the database, maybe you ask him directly, what made him have this decision. | | | Last edited: by TraunStaa |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: I just saw that the contribution of the double Blu-ray disc set for "In 3 Tagen bist du tot" was deleted. A user stated as reason "screener - delete this profile - it's an austrian release". As far as I know this BD is an official release and I don't see a reason why an austrian version of a film may not be contributed. Which locality has been deleted? The austrian profile exists. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Without owning this DVD, I can think of a pretty good reason to delete this profile:
It was contributed for an incorrect locality (Germany). For resubmitting this profile with correct locality highlight the profile in DVDProfiler and browse to menu "DVD -> Land ändern ..." Select "Austria" here, click OK and resubmit the profile afterwards. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: June 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 305 |
| Posted: | | | | Would have been the better choice in the first place to simply contribute a country change instead of deleting the whole profile. Sheesh. |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TraunStaa: Quote: Would have been the better choice in the first place to simply contribute a country change instead of deleting the whole profile. Sheesh. Unfortunately that is not possible. Changing the locality just creates a duplicate, still making it necessary to delete the original (assuming the release was actually non-existent in that country), and that is what the contributor did. | | | Hans | | | Last edited: by Staid S Barr |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TraunStaa: Quote: Would have been the better choice in the first place to simply contribute a country change instead of deleting the whole profile. Sheesh. Sadly this isn't possible. Once a profile got accepted for the online database there are two things that for this profile cannot be changed anymore, the two identifiers, which are: 1. UPC/EAN/DiscID 2. Locality BTW: The profile is available for the correct locality (Austria) as bbbbb already stated. So all you have to do is change the locality in your local database. EDIT: Hans types faster than me | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: June 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 305 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Unfortunately that is not possible. Changing the locality just creates a duplicate, still making it necessary to delete the original (assuming the release was actually non-existent in that country), and that is what the contributor did. This is a major flaw in the whole contributing cycle then, when that's the easiest solution to change locality. Examples like these also show, that one can add pretty much everything when contributing a first entry into the database, as nobody seems to check them. I always wonder, how many German and Swiss locality entries exist for the same UPC, when there surely never was a Swiss release. |
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Registered: June 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 305 |
| Posted: | | | | @Meistertrainer MickySpoon ment with "screener" one of the Invelos guys who are evaluating new contributions and NOT a "screener" (a movie/film which is filmed from a theater screen) and he pointed out, that he deleted the German locality and pointed correctly to the Austrian release - you misread that and I also jumped on your conclusion without further check So, you tried to contribute to the German locality profile not the correct Austrian one. And a red arrow for Kopfkino on contributing the incorrect German profile in the first place | | | Last edited: by TraunStaa |
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Registered: October 3, 2009 | Posts: 2 |
| Posted: | | | | Ah, now I see the problem. When I tried to add it again I had the filter set to Germany and therefor the correct entry couldn't be found. So this and the remark that the release is a screener caused the misunderstanding for me. Thanks for clearing this up | | | Don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience! (Dilbert) |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TraunStaa: Quote: This is a major flaw in the whole contributing cycle then, when that's the easiest solution to change locality. Actually, sometimes it is necessary to create a duplicate, since some (especially European) releases are for multiple localities. This can of course be achieved in different manners, but calling it a 'major flaw' is a bit over the top. | | | Hans |
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Registered: June 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 305 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Quoting TraunStaa: Actually, sometimes it is necessary to create a duplicate, since some (especially European) releases are for multiple localities. This can of course be achieved in different manners, but calling it a 'major flaw' is a bit over the top. Yes, I know and your stating the obvious here. But in said case, where only one country locality exists (if not someone creates a wrong entry) it's time consuming to first delete an entry with all data in its entireness and then go through the same contribution procedure once again, this time with a correct locality. What is the rule that UPC/EAN/DiscID and locality can't be changed anymore, for? If the mysterious "screeners" would do their job on first contributions thorough, we could throw this, in my opinion, useless rule overboard and the database wouldn't have that many incorrect locality entries in there anyway. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TraunStaa: Quote: What is the rule that UPC/EAN/DiscID and locality can't be changed anymore, for? It's "for" nothing, that is just the way the DB is created (and rightfully so). EAN/UPC/DiscID and Locality together are the primary key for any profile, so there is simply no way to change them. Because to change them means exactly what we are doing all along, deleting one profile and creating another. cya, Mithi | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TraunStaa: Quote: (...) I always wonder, how many German and Swiss locality entries exist for the same UPC, when there surely never was a Swiss release. How do you come to the conclusion that there is no Swiss release for those UPCs? Only because the UPC and cover does completely match the corresponding German release, does not mean that this is not an official Swiss release as well with its own release date and SRP. On the other side, an Austrian (or Swiss) release of a title which is prohibited in Germany, can't be a German release. But I do not know, if "In 3 Tagen bist du tot" is prohibited in Germany. If it has "only" been put on the index, it could still be a German release though, at least theoretically. |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TraunStaa: Quote: But in said case, where only one country locality exists (if not someone creates a wrong entry) it's time consuming to first delete an entry with all data in its entireness and then go through the same contribution procedure once again, this time with a correct locality. If you need to create a copy, you don't have to delete and recreate anything. You just change the locality, with the result that now 2 copies exist. The question whether the first needs to be deleted depends on whether this is a multi-locality release or not. | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TraunStaa: Quote: (if not someone creates a wrong entry) it's time consuming to first delete an entry with all data in its entireness and then go through the same contribution procedure once again, this time with a correct locality. What, exactly, do you expect the screeners to do? Check every locality to see if a title actually exists? I am sorry, but the screeners are doing exactly what they can do...trust the users to contribute profiles for things that actually exist. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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