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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've seen this wording more than once (luv me some documentaries...) and today it got me to wondering if things credited this way should be included as studios:
"Major Funding For This Film Was Provided By National Science Foundation"
"Produced In Association With National Wildlife Federation"
Those are examples from the MacGillivray Freeman film Dolphins but the wording would equally apply to other IMAX films, a lot of PBS productions, and a number of other docs.
I've always left them out before, but should I include them if there's room in the studio slots? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Studios really isn't my thing to be able to give you an intelligent answer... but my initial thought would be to leave them out. I don't think they would be studios. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Were i submitting i wouldn't include them.
I think i'd have trouble voting yes for them.
Though i have trouble deciding what is different about them as opposed to the Australian Film Finance Corporation aside from them being dedicated to film. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | What's getting listed in Studios is
(1) Theatrical Release Studio(s)
(2) Production Company(s),
and in that order.
Companies that merely provide funding, however essential that may be, do not get listed. The NWF only gets listed if they co-produced the film. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
What's getting listed in Studios is
(1) Theatrical Release Studio(s)
(2) Production Company(s),
and in that order.
Companies that merely provide funding, however essential that may be, do not get listed. The NWF only gets listed if they co-produced the film. I'd make the decision solely based on actual credits. There are many multi-national productions out there, where the credits go something like "Produced by <insert studio> in co-production with <insert all kinds of company names>". I have a feeling that many of those companies listed in various movies are mere financiers. And isn't financing a movie partly producing it? What other kind of involvement - if any - is needed for a company to be regarded as a Producer? Note that those are honest questions from someone who doesn't know, not combattive to your post  Another matter then is that should the companies contributed be treated "as credited"... So that if it says in the credits that a movie is produced by all these various companies, should we enter them as production company (even if we know (or think we know) that at least some of them are merely a bank or investment company with cash for the production)(?) | | | Mika
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
Quoting dee1959jay:
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What's getting listed in Studios is
(1) Theatrical Release Studio(s)
(2) Production Company(s),
and in that order.
Companies that merely provide funding, however essential that may be, do not get listed. The NWF only gets listed if they co-produced the film.
I'd make the decision solely based on actual credits.
There are many multi-national productions out there, where the credits go something like "Produced by <insert studio> in co-production with <insert all kinds of company names>". I have a feeling that many of those companies listed in various movies are mere financiers. And isn't financing a movie partly producing it? What other kind of involvement - if any - is needed for a company to be regarded as a Producer?
Note that those are honest questions from someone who doesn't know, not combattive to your post
Another matter then is that should the companies contributed be treated "as credited"... So that if it says in the credits that a movie is produced by all these various companies, should we enter them as production company (even if we know (or think we know) that at least some of them are merely a bank or investment company with cash for the production)(?) I don't think I would go there, Draxen. That's going to bring us into the realm of providing documentation to back up the claim. Thinking we know isn't good enough, and i am not at all certain that such documentation would be easy to obtain. Sometimes I am sure it would be easy, but we have 400,000+ titles in the online, Distribution Company can vary from area to area, but I don't think any of the production company data would, it could become a real problem I think. It makes me feel like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Normally it's fairly easy to decide what to list as far as studios go -> I simply list them in the order they appear on screen in the opening credits, or in opening & closing credits. So if I see something that says "Company A presents in association with Company B and Company C a Company D production" I list A, B & C because we have only 3 slots.
It's the wording here that's getting me. The film is by MacGillivray Freeman Films. They're both production company and distributor, so they list first. I still have two empty slots. Now I don't mind leaving them empty, certainly there are lots of movies, especially from the big studios, that have only one studio to be listed. But I don't want to leave anyone out if they should be listed either.
But should I list companies/groups like National Science Foundation and National Wildlife Federation, given the wording on screen? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't hold me to it, cass, but i don't think I would use them.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
But should I list companies/groups like National Science Foundation and National Wildlife Federation, given the wording on screen? I have been thinking about this since your first post. I had to ask myself, "what is a production company?" The answer I came up with is, in it's most basic form, a company responsible for the development and physical production of new media. Does financing help in that development? Yes. Does helping with the actual production qualify? Again, yes. Based on that, I would include them both. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sold, to the Martian. I like it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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