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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not into really contributing common names myself, but I have had to do some research on a couple of contributions that were in error.
I PM'd the users with my concerns and they pulled the contributions.
I make a general request to people.
If you are going to contribute common names, do not rely on the CLT or Name variants plugin to prove that X=Y. There are many actors/esses that have names that are the same or similar. Some may be actors as opposed to crew. If we blindly accept what is in the CLT or Name Variants, without doing the proper research to verify commonality, we are going to further the mess we already have.
Thank you and have a good day....
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | |  And include the results of the research in your notes. Forum Moderator: RemovedSkip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
And include the results of the research in your notes. Have to disagree on that one, Skip. Adding results doesn't say a thing, because the CLT results vary from day to day (even minute to minute). By the rules it isn't even necessary showing the CLT results in the notes. I agree on CharlieM though. When adding a 'credited as' verify this by researching on the net and/or other films/tv shows whether they are the same person. When you expect the CLT results being false you even have to do some more research by asking on the forum to establish a common name or verify all CLT results yourself. A simple note saying you did some research on establishing the common name suffice. But I always add a link to the topic where a common name has been established when the CLT results are false. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Corne:
Yes they do, that is true. But for users to say It is because I say so, I checked the CLT but i am not going to tell you is just WRONG Period. I am highly offended every time i see such arrogance, no matter who it is. Remember the linking is essentially a local affair, if you don't want to provide documentation then DON'T Contribute the data. I am not interested in anyone's dartboard. As UI have said previously, I would not ask it of you, don't ask it of me.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: Removed
On topic, I agree with Corne. I don't expect someone to list the CLT results, as it's not necessary and I can look at them myself, but a simple note establishing common name is cool. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Corne:
Yes they do, that is true. But for users to say It is because I say so, I checked the CLT but i am not going to tell you is just WRONG Period. I am highly offended every time i see such arrogance, no matter who it is. Remember the linking is essentially a local affair, if you don't want to provide documentation then DON'T Contribute the data. I am not interested in anyone's dartboard. As UI have said previously, I would not ask it of you, don't ask it of me.
Skip You know that CLT results can be falsified and it just makes many voters lazy by not even checking the CLT because the results are in the notes. Why someone wants to falsify the results beats me, but you know what I mean. By saying that you consulted the CLT you DID provide documentation, because the CLT is open for everyone to check! I'm offended by the arrogance that the CLT results are the only thing what should be checked. I much more care for the contributions where much energy has been put in checking the common name and whether they are even the same person or not. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: Removed | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,441 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Corne:
Yes they do, that is true. But for users to say It is because I say so, I checked the CLT but i am not going to tell you is just WRONG Period. I am highly offended every time i see such arrogance, no matter who it is. Remember the linking is essentially a local affair, if you don't want to provide documentation then DON'T Contribute the data. I am not interested in anyone's dartboard. As UI have said previously, I would not ask it of you, don't ask it of me.
Skip
You know that CLT results can be falsified and it just makes many voters lazy by not even checking the CLT because the results are in the notes. Why someone wants to falsify the results beats me, but you know what I mean.
By saying that you consulted the CLT you DID provide documentation, because the CLT is open for everyone to check! I'm offended by the arrogance that the CLT results are the only thing what should be checked. I much more care for the contributions where much energy has been put in checking the common name and whether they are even the same person or not. Agree, furthermore I prefer a duble check from the reviewer, I can always be wrong and I've no problem at all if someone correct me. | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years | | | | Last edited: by Kluge |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote:
Agree, furthermore I prefer a duble check from the reviewer, I can always be wrong and I've no problem at all if someone correct me. I agree. | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Have to disagree on that one, Skip. Adding results doesn't say a thing, because the CLT results vary from day to day (even minute to minute). I think it's nice to have the CLT results from the time the common name was submitted to check if I try to change the common name for a profile. That way I can see if the CLT results have tipped the other way and I can use that as a part of my argument when I change the common name. It will also give some clue as to why a common name was selected. I also believe that including the CLT results (or a modified one based on research) will stop ping-ponging of common names without a reason. | | | 
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Corne:
Yes they do, that is true. But for users to say It is because I say so, I checked the CLT but i am not going to tell you is just WRONG Period. I am highly offended every time i see such arrogance, no matter who it is. Remember the linking is essentially a local affair, if you don't want to provide documentation then DON'T Contribute the data. I am not interested in anyone's dartboard. As UI have said previously, I would not ask it of you, don't ask it of me. I am sorry Skip, but that is not your call to make as this is not your program. While you can vote 'no', if they aren't included, you can't say it is wrong to not include them as Ken...the person who owns the program...has said, "If a user chooses to submit without specific CLT results, they may do so..." That statement, alone, invalidates your statement. I'm sorry, but it does. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
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