Film credits are usually all caps, which means names are given without accents and diacritics. Technically, capital version of letters with accents exist, but are rarely used. Ken has said to enter names without, but this just leads to names that are unfortunately wrong in the DB. This isn't a big deal for English speakers as their language barely uses these, but is a huge issue for Romance languages and some others. My understanding is that we are supposed to do it this way because is some sees a credit for "FRANCOIS TRUFFAT" and searches for "Francois Truffaut" but the DB entry is under "François Truffaut," they won't find anything. Same with "Alejandro Amenábar," "Penélope Cruz," "Gunnar Björnstrand," etc. If the program handled searches better, this wouldn't be a problem and we could enter names correctly. Basically, just like it currently does with capitalization, it should actually be searching for all variants of a letter.

edit: crap, no way to fix the title.

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edit: crap, no way to fix the title.

There should be a small purple icon to the left of the title (only you as the thread starter will see it) at the top of the page.  You can click this and edit the title.

Ken addressed this himself, Ace. Diacritics and accents are NOT to be used unless they actually appear. Thus FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT becomes Francois Truffaut NOT François Truffaut. So my suggestion is get with the program and accept it. I will repeat what I have said before personally, if Ken will approve it I am willing to accept a "correct" name with documentation as long as the Credited As data remains as it is actually seen. Thus FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT could become François Truffaut (Francois Truffaut) with Ken acquiescence. BUT, and I repeat Ken personallty ruled on a one to one transfer from upper to lower, not an imaginary transfer. As always this is about data, real data, that you see on the screen not datya which is imagined.

It's rather amusing that i NEVER see this same argument applied to either a role of let's say Francois Cousteau or to an unknown  or relativeluy unknown actor, the argument for this stuff ALWAYS is applied to A-List personnel, and it comes unglued everytime when you move lower down the list of celebrity. The Rule cannot be applied from the top down, Ace, it must be applied from the bottom, the least known person, up to the top.

And actually Ace, I still believe that simplae association is a better system than the priority name that Ken applied. First off the linking is more of local issue than it is an online, though i have a feeling that Ken may have something up his sleeve that could change my mind, but for the Priority name to work the RULES must be followed to generate the proper CLT results, also keep in mind that you are essentially wanting to apply what you think is correct name and ken has repeatedly said we are NOT after CORRECT name but most Commonly Credited Name. With a simple assocuiation system there is no priority name, once an associatuion is made ANY name you choose to search on will yield the same list of movies and this could be setup to allow the user to prioritize the list as he chooses.. The only thing we want to be able to do is to be able to share our association listings.

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If I read the OP correctly, he is not asking to convert capitals without accents to small letters with them, he is only asking that the search engine ignore accents/diacritcs.

On that point, I agree.

OK, then I misunderstood him. I am not sure about the idea though...maybe.

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If I read the OP correctly, he is not asking to convert capitals without accents to small letters with them, he is only asking that the search engine ignore accents/diacritcs.

On that point, I agree.

Fine by me with accents as long it doesn't mix umlauts, since letters a,ä,å,o,ö are completely different letters with different meanings, not "variations" of the same letter.

For example finnish words hamara = blunt side of the axe (there must be a real english word for this I think) and hämärä = dusk, unclear, twilight, gloom, dim etc. depending on context. Baseline: completely different letters...

If I search "hamara" I don't want to get any "hämärä" hits, but if I search "Penélope" all "Penelope" hits are OK.

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I think it would be safer to include all options as it'll cover all bases.

I understand your point but don't agree. If a= ä or å or o=ö, that would make the search almost useless (at least) for scandinavian languages

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Your issue could easily be solved with a check box to quickly switch between the two.

I don't understand how this would work. Could you please explain?

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This is something that a few of us have asked for for many years now.

As a user with lots of profiles for French and Spanish language films in my collection, I would find searches matching Penélope to Penelope a great aid!

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Paul:

If users were to apply the rules correctly then utilize the CLT properly you would get your links. OR if Ken would apply the simple association method this two would supply your links. I do understand the desire for the links and it can be done and a system is in place for it, but the Rules have to be followed to supply the correct answer from the CLT..

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Skip, this is not about linking, it is about searching!

Pick up some French or Spanish films, you will find that the name searching in the program and the CLT make it very hard to work with names like Penélope.

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