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Change rating of a foreign DVD so that it matches U.S. ratings?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantteq139
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Hi,

I have a question, and I apologize in case this has been already posted somewhere.

I use DVD Profiler together with SageTV. In generally this works great and I especially like the integration of DVD Profiler's rating system in SageTV.

However, the problem is that SageTV only supports the U.S. rating system (e.g., PG, PG-13, R, etc.). Foreign rating systems (e.g., from Germany, like FSK-12, FSK-16, etc.) are not supported.

This is why I would like to change the ratings in DVD Profiler for my foreign titles so that they match the equivalent of the U.S. rating system (e.g., change FSK-16 to R). However, I don't seem to be able to do this in DVD Profiler. It seems as if the program "knows" the rating system of the country the DVD is from, and it won't let me change it. If I manually type the code instead of using the dropdown menu, the code is not displayed after I close and re-open the dialogue.

What do I have to do to change this behavior so that I can enter any rating I would like?

Thanks,

teq
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The ratings are tied into the locality of the DVD, so you'd have to change the locality of each DVD that you want to change the rating for.

To do this, select the DVD and then click DVD -> Change Locality...

You should keep this kind of change local though, and not try to contribute it.

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Yep, what you need to do is change the locality for all non-US profiles to US, and then you'll get the US rating options.

Welcome to the Asylum, BTW! 
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But keep in mind, that you won't get any updates for these profiles anymore, when you change the locality. Or you even get incorrect updates, if the same UPC exists in the US locality.


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You could probably edit the localities.xod within the AppData/.../DVD Profiler directory but it gets overwritten when you update the profile list. It contains the rating info and you could manually rename the German ratings.
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But keep in mind, that you won't get any updates for these profiles anymore, when you change the locality.

That's exactly right.., I may have the 'same title' same overview same everything ''  as a USA locality counterpart,, but with american locality, and loyality  outpacing (i.e.) say  Canada 10 to 1 or even Canada/ Quebec- 20 to 1.,, the idea of any of the 1 or 10 users would be as prolific as our USA localitys we could loose out on important updates..

and that my friends,  is why I may Occasionally download all region 1 only data and individually select certain fields or all up dated contributions.. I'm helping you out even if you don't like or agree with me ..

I mean,,  do you really think I owned 8 copies of A.I.  ??
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I use DVD Profiler together with SageTV. In generally this works great and I especially like the integration of DVD Profiler's rating system in SageTV.

ehm, I don't know SageTV: how does it work together with DVD Profiler? Via the XML-Export?
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However, the problem is that SageTV only supports the U.S. rating system (e.g., PG, PG-13, R, etc.). Foreign rating systems (e.g., from Germany, like FSK-12, FSK-16, etc.) are not supported.

If it is XML it may be more elegant to try to solve the problem there, not inside DVD Profiler with a locality-change.

Would depend on what fields SageTV can/should/would use.

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But keep in mind, that you won't get any updates for these profiles anymore, when you change the locality.

That's exactly right.., I may have the 'same title' same overview same everything ''  as a USA locality counterpart,, but with american locality, and loyality  outpacing (i.e.) say  Canada 10 to 1 or even Canada/ Quebec- 20 to 1.,, the idea of any of the 1 or 10 users would be as prolific as our USA localitys we could loose out on important updates..

and that my friends,  is why I may Occasionally download all region 1 only data and individually select certain fields or all up dated contributions.. I'm helping you out even if you don't like or agree with me ..

I mean,,  do you really think I owned 8 copies of A.I.  ??


Are you really, terry. i know you mean well, BUT the facts are, just as with tim, then only data that you can absolutely confirm is the data that is on the Copy that YOU own. That does not mean that data of necessity follows with every other version in evry Region/Locality in the world. We in fact know exactly the opposite is true, we also know that it is not always true, but without other copies in your hands you cannot know what the answer is. You are therefore risking damaging the database with your actions, damage which once it is discovered will take literally YEARS to correct. IF i had access to my library I would be checking EACH and EVERY Contribution you and Tim make against my own disc, this because neither of you can be trusted sadly, and I would be discovering the mistakes NOW, but when they are found they will be fixed and I will be only to glad to point duirectly at the origin of the error.

At least when I tried the failed experiment immediately upon the discovery of different data for the same title, i stopped the experiment, I did not continue like a bull in a china shop just rampaging around and setting things to my own library. While you are a friend Terry, I condemn in the strongest terms the actions of you, Tim and others in spite of what ken has said becauie I recognize the damage that is being caused, and no amount of potential positive outweighs that damage.

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I did say individually selected fields  obviously I can't verify Audio (& in order of)  or disc ID., or subtitles.. etc .. but overviews and running times and even cast and crew as well as North american release dates as well as CoO/ year of release etc etc  can be and should be done without the disc in hand .. ( not new releases )submitted approved releases .
another area too is quality of the scans .. If the Front of Scan is just atrocious and may be matched perfectly , with a perfect Scan in data base ( as well if Rear Scan was the same including locality as well as same UPC code...) 


Don't forget we want to make this a more better place not worse,, and I would never purposely mislead you all..
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Terry
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I will agree in principle with some of your comment Terry, COO, Overview assuming we have a correct back cover scan, release dates (sometimes). Cast and Crew; absolutely not that permise was disproven by me over a year ago, it is a reasonable premise but it IS factually inaccurate; and no one was more surprised than I when it was discovered that cast and crew data CAN and DOES vary from Region to region and Version to Version. We KNOW that Cast and Crew are not necessarily exactly the same across borders or versions. I would be willing to accept your and Tim's premise on this basis and this basis ONLY, or at least until proven otherwise. And that is I presume that Cast and Crew data would be the same from DVD release to BD release within the same Region locality (or A,B.C) as I presume that they would use the same print to produce both Discs. But as soon as we move across Borders or Regions...NO, with the exception of an ABC BD Disc.

You are not masking it a better database with your assumptions, Terry, you are making it worse. Like I said I know you mean well and so does Tim, he is so focused on the CLT that he is blinded to anything else, but he means well, even though his notes are generally atrocious and i will never vote yes as long as he continues on his reckless course and continues to provide notes that claim he has done research but refuses to provide details on that research.

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But you have to agree that it is maddening to find 3 or 4 titles from region 1 that don't line up physically and is filled with Numerous errors that someone ( not me)  submitted and they were all approved.. and contributed by others..
You would not believe how many times, Before I do any corrections, I will contact the last person who submitted a misaligned UPC code to rear scan, or some other errors that I would go to the source and find out they never owned the film or title to start with.  These are the ones who should have had the disc in hand instead of on a wish list. It is these titles I have to figure out by others of its same release date and upc and region what could and shouldn't be corrected.
these contributions will sit for years incorrectly in the data base./ Now I come along , unearth all these extreme errors and all I do, is put them to a vote of confidence that my contributions to these factfully filed errors will be corrected. they are put to the test and are voted or approved on..
What I find amusing, is most of the contributions sit there with no votes and after a few days our screeners have to judge for themselves if these are indeed corrections or further damaging the database.. I am only bringing them to light ..

Don't forget this is a user based system and if no one is contributing and correcting facts or image bearing corrections to these titles.. they will sit for almost forever as some of these localities have no owners, ( it would seem) .
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One of the REALLY BIG problems that I have with Tim's way of doing things, the really poor quality of his notes aside; is that when I tried my experiment I explained it publicly  and called on all users to help to verify the Cross Region and Cross Version data. I also included specific comments in myn notes that addressed not only what Copy I was using, but that I wanted users to verify my data against their disc, that procedure led to the rapid discovery tjhat cast and Crew does not carry across Borders and version of necessity. Tim makes no such comment and just assumes it to be true along with his failure to provide documentation but to ask users to accept that he has done extensive research and tyhat it is true because he says it so is simply absurd and arrogant on his part. I wish the Ken would stop allowing this kind of ummmm stuff to be accepted, it does NOT aid the Community in any way.

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But you have to agree that it is maddening to find 3 or 4 titles from region 1 that don't line up physically and is filled with Numerous errors that someone ( not me)  submitted and they were all approved.. and contributed by others..
You would not believe how many times, Before I do any corrections, I will contact the last person who submitted a misaligned UPC code to rear scan, or some other errors that I would go to the source and find out they never owned the film or title to start with.  These are the ones who should have had the disc in hand instead of on a wish list. It is these titles I have to figure out by others of its same release date and upc and region what could and shouldn't be corrected.
these contributions will sit for years incorrectly in the data base./ Now I come along , unearth all these extreme errors and all I do, is put them to a vote of confidence that my contributions to these factfully filed errors will be corrected. they are put to the test and are voted or approved on..
What I find amusing, is most of the contributions sit there with no votes and after a few days our screeners have to judge for themselves if these are indeed corrections or further damaging the database.. I am only bringing them to light ..

Don't forget this is a user based system and if no one is contributing and correcting facts or image bearing corrections to these titles.. they will sit for almost forever as some of these localities have no owners, ( it would seem) .

To some degree I agree and can understand your frustration< terry. Do you have any idea how many bad UPCs were brought over when Ken merged the Old Intervocative database with the Invelos...TONS and TONS. But we must tread with care when trying to fix what we see as errors, how many users are simply porting over (uncredited) data without verification from a very OLD release, then when somebody finds that error and tries to fix it, we have users who are willing accept to undocumented cloned data and will demand that it be verified as inaccurate.

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I support changing all copies based on verified information with limits. i.e. don't change aspect ration unless DISC IDs match because it could be a different transfer, watch out for potentially multiple versions of a movie when changing cast & crew, etc. This sort of thing should really be done automatically, but we're stuck with this until the next big upgrade.
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Wow, I'm impressed, so many comments/suggestions in such a short time. Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I guess I will try to change the locality as suggested by some of you.

Regarding the one question about SageTV, yes, it uses the XML export. So, yes, I could change it in the XML file directly - however, as I regularly add new titles and export these again, the edits would get overwritten.

Cheers,

teq
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Regarding the one question about SageTV, yes, it uses the XML export. So, yes, I could change it in the XML file directly - however, as I regularly add new titles and export these again, the edits would get overwritten.

Of course I meant an automatic transformation with a XSLT, not a manual edit! As Agent Smith said: "Never send a human to do a script's job." 

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