Interesting. Maybe it's an "Australian" thing, but I prefer the spaced out version (i.e. T. J. Smith), and that is how it is, generally, written in Oz (although there is no hard-and-fast rule on that).

Maybe Ken could provide this as an option/setting so that we can both be happy?

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Would it be possible on a future version of Profiler to have the program display people's initials together?

Currently we have:

T.J. Smith display as T. J. Smith

Subsequently some users are utilising the Credited As feature to display the names correctly. Now, I personally think this is a complete waste of time and remove all such entries from my local database.

This issue, to me, is much the same as the ', Jr.' and 'Jr.' issue that you created the filter for.

Therefore if you could implement something that corrects this I would be v. grateful!

Unless I am not understanding you correctly...  it isn't users that are using the Credited as feature to do this... It is how Ken decided to handle this situation as it is a filter much like the Jr./Sr. filter that is doing it. I have done cast lists where it automatically gets changed to using the Credited as for this situation.

Here is where Ken explains the filter he put into place and how it works...

Initials Filter

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This issue, to me, is much the same as the ', Jr.' and 'Jr.' issue that you created the filter for.

Which is exactly why he addressed it around the same time, with a very similar standard + filter. For suffixes, he decided that we always use the format with the comma, and we use "credited as" to indicate whenever the commaless variant is used on-screen. And for initials, he decided that we always use the "spaced" variant (by spreading them over the first and middle name fields), and we use "credited as" to indicate whenever there's no space on-screen. Both standards are further supported by automated filters, and additionally, both standards trump the CLT results.

Quoting Pantheon:

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Ken

Would it be possible on a future version of Profiler to have the program display people's initials together?

Currently we have:

T.J. Smith display as T. J. Smith

Subsequently some users are utilising the Credited As feature to display the names correctly. Now, I personally think this is a complete waste of time and remove all such entries from my local database.

This issue, to me, is much the same as the ', Jr.' and 'Jr.' issue that you created the filter for.

Therefore if you could implement something that corrects this I would be v. grateful!

Who are we to decide to this. The credit is what it is and we can adjust for it. There are TJs and T.J.s and T. J.s, we list them as T./J. of T/J for our purposes but we then can adjust the Credited As to reflect reflect the Actual credit.So I am confused.

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Quoting Pantheon:

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Ken

Would it be possible on a future version of Profiler to have the program display people's initials together?

Currently we have:

T.J. Smith display as T. J. Smith

Subsequently some users are utilising the Credited As feature to display the names correctly. Now, I personally think this is a complete waste of time and remove all such entries from my local database.

This issue, to me, is much the same as the ', Jr.' and 'Jr.' issue that you created the filter for.

Therefore if you could implement something that corrects this I would be v. grateful!

Who are we to decide to this. The credit is what it is and we can adjust for it. There are TJs and T.J.s and T. J.s, we list them as T./J. of T/J for our purposes but we then can adjust the Credited As to reflect reflect the Actual credit.So I am confused.

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In my experience there are many, many more cases of no space between initials than there are spaces. Would you agree?

Therefore, an automated filter that displays the name without the spaces would be easier than having to do them; given that it seems to be the way we are going.

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Quoting Pantheon:

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Ken

Would it be possible on a future version of Profiler to have the program display people's initials together?

Currently we have:

T.J. Smith display as T. J. Smith

Subsequently some users are utilising the Credited As feature to display the names correctly. Now, I personally think this is a complete waste of time and remove all such entries from my local database.

This issue, to me, is much the same as the ', Jr.' and 'Jr.' issue that you created the filter for.

Therefore if you could implement something that corrects this I would be v. grateful!

Who are we to decide to this. The credit is what it is and we can adjust for it. There are TJs and T.J.s and T. J.s, we list them as T./J. of T/J for our purposes but we then can adjust the Credited As to reflect reflect the Actual credit.So I am confused.

Skip

In my experience there are many, many more cases of no space between initials than there are spaces. Would you agree?

Therefore, an automated filter that displays the name without the spaces would be easier than having to do them; given that it seems to be the way we are going.

I can only go by my experiences with doing cast lists in DVD Profiler on this... but it always seemed pretty even to me.

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I can only go by my experiences with doing cast lists in DVD Profiler on this... but it always seemed pretty even to me.

Not in mine.

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This seems incomplete (and therefore pretty useless to me).

Surely it should also do:

T./J./Smith becomes T./J./Smith [T.J. Smith)

uh.... question... why should it automatically do the above? There is no way for the filter to know if the credits says T. J. Smith or if the credits shows T.J. Smith. Since the whole purpose of the credited as field is to match how the names are in the credits only we can tell the program if the actual credits has a space or not.

So if we have standardized the common name as T./J./Smith and we type in T.J.//Smith the filter knows it is wrong per the filter and fixes it while using credited as to put the name the way the program has to assume the credits are by what we entered.

But if we put in T./J./Smith that matches our standard for common name... and no reason to assume the credits are different.

I fully understand your point.

Do you understand mine?

If someone puts in:
T.J./Smith
...the filter knows this is wrong and does: T./J./Smith [T.J.Smith]

How does it know that the onscreen credit was T.J. and not T. J.? Given that the user was wrong enough to put both initials in the first name box, then it's relatively safe to err on the side of caution that they never took any notice of spacing either.
The filter is making an assumption based on the placment of the intials.
Therefore, if it's going to do that then it should be consistent.

If you see one of my contributions showing a simple entry of: T./J./Smith there is currently no way of knowing if there is a space between the initials or not (which is fine my me, because I think it's silly info).
The only way for it to display correctly is for me to incorrectly input T.J./Smith into my local database. How can that be logical or correct? It can't.

Personally, I would rather this sort of nonsense was removed. Using credited as for spacing between initials is the worse kind of anal retentive rubbish IMO.