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Characters Playing Actors?
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MicHaeL H.
Registered: January 24, 2009
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OK,

so I think I found an issue, which is slightly hard to explain, let alone look up with the search-feature.
This is what happened here:

When double-clicking an actor (to see which movies they are in) straight from the 'Cast'-list when selecting a movie,
why does it say exactly " *character*, as *actor* " by each title?
So it looks as if it's saying for example "Bruce Wayne, as Christian Bale".

OR... does the comma indicate the same thing as sometimes with titles like "Batman, The"?
If that's the case I obviously got confused.
But then wouldn't it be clearer the other way around? Just "Christian Bale(,) as Batman".
Or is it done like this on purpose anyway?...


However, I did notice only today, that it only happens to (I think) anything I edit.
So, first I thought just with the actors I edited and corrected.
But now it kind of looks like it happens to every actor-profile I edited,
plus ONLY every movie I applied that profile to, or something like that.
Cause it simply shows the character only with the ones I never touched.
It doesn't add the "as *actor*" with those.

Or waiiit... does that perhaps mean "CREDITED as"?!
Oh man, that could totally be it... but I'm not sure so please let me know. :D
If it's true, then maybe the word 'credited' should be added, perhaps...
Or maybe better, put it between brackets like this '(*actor*)'.
Hm, well you tell me.


But the whole cast-list-thing is a little weird anyway, I'll explain more later.
- MicHaeL
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I don't follow you, Michael. The system is quite simple...deliberately so. There are time when acotors assume identities to play another character, for example Sandra Bullock's (uncredited) actor Ida Flammenbaum playing herself in Miss Congeniality 2.

I don't see any comma following any name, I tried it from the Dark Knight. Christian Bale is not credited as Bartman in the film he is credited as Bruce Wayne.

In Batman Begins he is dcredited as Bruce Wayne/Batman still no comma.

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Skip, i believe he means if you double click on a cast/crew name in the layout you get the pop-up window of films for that person.

For each film if Credited As was used for a role you will see:

Character Name , as Credited Name

vice simply

Character Name

if the common name was used.

(I hope Batman was just a bad choice to use for an example cause i don't know that Christian Bale ever used a variant requiring Credited As.)

And to hopefully answer the question you asked Michael, the comma Name after the Role indicates the actor was credited using a form of the name that is not the most common.  At least according to our database.
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MicHaeL H.
Registered: January 24, 2009
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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I don't follow you, Michael. The system is quite simple...deliberately so. There are time when acotors assume identities to play another character, for example Sandra Bullock's (uncredited) actor Ida Flammenbaum playing herself in Miss Congeniality 2.

I don't see any comma following any name, I tried it from the Dark Knight. Christian Bale is not credited as Bartman in the film he is credited as Bruce Wayne.

In Batman Begins he is dcredited as Bruce Wayne/Batman still no comma.

Skip


The Batman-part was just an example, and even so, who says we have the same profile.
Could be a different DVD-version or different format altogether.
I mean, I thought there would be a profile contributed by users for each version?
Unless the same person owns every single version (or many) and contributed the same profile for all.

On top of that, I also edit most profiles to fill out all the correct names, for both actors and characters.
And it looks like thóse, for some reason, are looking like... as I described...

You know, I'll add a screenshot.
Read my description letter for letter again, it's actually quite simple, use the symbols too.
Here we go: http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u305/DamageIncM/DVDProfilerScreenshot-ActorProfiles.png

It's obvious which areas I mean.
But I opened that same window for Jon Voight, which I didn't add his middle name and birth-year.
And you see simply his roles with the movies, just like you said with "Batman".

Also, there is no 'Photo Indicator'-icon appearing when selecting the actor.
I dóes happen with the edited ones, but silly enough only when selecting them.
Then there is also a white photo-area added as you see in the screenshot.
Well actually, it's also there with the non-edited ones,
but they dó have the text 'Drag an image here' in that area, unlike the edited ones as in the screenshot.
Also, you have that extra tray you can expand above the actors/crew-list.
There is the case there is a photo-area added when editing an actor, there's none for the non-edited ones.

It's just really weird...


But as I said before, if that's actually meant to say what the actor/actress is CREDITED as.
You know, I mean instead of the full name, which I only thought of later.
Then I obviously got confused.
I think this is probably the case since I edited them to fill in their full names.
Maybe then the program adds the "as *name* " then.
But I don't know that, plus it's just a bit strangely put as you can see. XD
If that's not the case... I don't know...
- MicHaeL
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MicHaeL H.
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Quoting tweeter:
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Skip, i believe he means if you double click on a cast/crew name in the layout you get the pop-up window of films for that person.

For each film if Credited As was used for a role you will see:

Character Name , as Credited Name

vice simply

Character Name

if the common name was used.

(I hope Batman was just a bad choice to use for an example cause i don't know that Christian Bale ever used a variant requiring Credited As.)

And to hopefully answer the question you asked Michael, the comma Name after the Role indicates the actor was credited using a form of the name that is not the most common.  At least according to our database.


Aha, you see, I just saw that form really late.
I've been using this software for only for a week or two, maybe a little more.
But I thought I wasn't supposed to touch the profiles maybe, that it became all weird.

You know what's also weird though:
The name in the small list under the movie's description there (depending where the user put it),
it doesn't show the full name, it's already the way they are credited.
It shows 'Angelina Jolie' behind the small window on top, which is not the full name I put in her personal profile.
So, you see where that becomes extra confusing. :D

Maybe it's still something for the idea-box though, to only change the form to "Credited as"?
I bet that's a quite easy tweak, change it somewhere and it would show up everywhere.
Unless nobody likes that, it just did confuse me personally a bit.

What do you say, shall I add it to the suggestions?
I think I might have another bigger idea for it though, if not already being applied...
- MicHaeL
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Interesting post, as it was just today I was looking at The Dark Knight,up against Batman Begins  and was comparing Gary Oldmans charactor name of Jim Gordon., The previous film gives Oldman the credited role name of Jim Gordon., Yet Dark Knight only is credited as Gordon.
Makes it quite redundant when the studio won't keep their own  cast roles as previous.
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I think it's already been suggested that a different separator is used for showing "credited as" in the info page for a cast member as a comma doesn't make it clear what it means.
But please, there's nothing wrong with asking for it again - it shows that an idea is popular. Just make a post in the Features Request forum with your suggestion.
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I looked at your screen shot and it is the credited as data causing your confusion. The on-line database is built by users, who are supposed to follow the Contribution Rules.

The program is designed to profile film credits, so in the case of Angelina Jolie, if entered following the rules, that is her name. Her role is supposed to be exactly what appears in the film credits.

For linking actor's credits, when they have been credited in different films with different names, (John Doe or John A. Doe for example) we use the most credited form to enter into the name field of the actor, and use the Credited As field to enter the actual film credit. Ken has provided a tool that helps to determine the most credited form call the Credit Lookup which around here is commonly refereed to as the CLT. When an actor is entered using this Credited As system, the profile shows only the credited as data. When you look at the film list for an actor by double-clicking, the name is at the top next to the head shot, (John Doe) and for entries where a credited as is used, it shows the ", as John A. Doe".

What we do not ever do is to enter an actor's "full legal name" when they have never been credited that way or an "expanded" role. So, in the case of your screen shot, both her name and role are incorrect as far as the rules go. Locally, in your personal database, you can do that, but that data is not contributable to the on-line db, and unless you lock your profiles, an update to any actor in the cast list, will undo all of your work on that profile if you accept the update. So while you might wish to keep track of "real" names and "expanded" roles, you will find that is a lot more work for you since this information is not stored in the on-line database. If you accept the fact that the film credits are, in fact, the source for this information, then you will find that the work of others will save you a lot of time, and you will be able to share your work with the community through the contribution system.

Hope that helps explain what you are seeing and how things work. Needless to say, there are thousands of profiles with incorrect data, so the more people who work within the rules and contribute the more accurate and complete the on-line database becomes.
Kevin
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