I highly doubt that the contribution notes you mention were referring to the addition of the uncredited cast. Uncredited cast can't be verified with the "NameVariants plugin and Invelos' own "credit lookup tool"".

Lost, you are going to find tons of uncredited cast that have no documentation in the contribution notes here in the Invelos system or even in the Intervocative system. In the distant past, before we had the contribution rules, there was a utility that would simply scrape the data directly from IMDB into profiler. That is how a majority of the uncredited came to be in many, many profiles. Since that time, however, the rules do not allow scraping or copying from any 3rd party database. At the time of these changes, Ken decided not to purge the existing uncredited data. Ken has stated that if a list of uncredited is an exact copy of a 3rd party database, it can be removed. Just as adding uncredited is not required, neither is removing it.

If you are creating a new profile by copying an existing one, simply remove the uncredited after you add it to the new profile before you submitt it. If you are going to keep the uncredited in the profile, and doing so is adding them to an existiing or new profile, you need to document they appear in the film. It's a pain, yes, but it is a much larger pain to remove, because it is impossible to prove that a no-name, unrecognizable person is NOT in the film. So, IMO it is far better to leave them out altogether than to continue to replicate unverified data.

Quoting antolod:

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It's a pain, yes, but it is a much larger pain to remove, because it is impossible to prove that a no-name, unrecognizable person is NOT in the film.

I've found that the screeners will approve a contribution that removes undocumented uncredited cast as long as you don't get a bunch of 'no' votes for your contribution, so it's really the voters responsible for keeping this junk in the database, and yet these same voters will tell you that we're "not allowed" to remove them simply because they're undocumented.

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Lost

I voted no on a couple of your contributions for removing uncredited, but not because of the uncredited.

I concur with you on that, there was also a BY added that was not needed and had no documentation to support it.

If you removed the BY then I would vote yes.

Jim

BY = Birth Year. The only time these should be added is when there is 2 different cast/crew with the same name.

Yeah, as you know I voted no on a couple of your submissions as well (but we've chatted in pm about some stuff!). I have absolutely no problem with uncredited cast being removed from a dvd, no worries there. If there's specifically someone that's uncredited that I want in a cast list, I'll just add it locally. You'll generally get a yes vote from me when removing that uncredited cast (not for putting it in), but in some cases, like your removal of Madonna from Die Another Day I will vote no on. She's a big recognizable name, and it's easy enough to specifically point her out during the film (I even added the time she appears on screen in my no vote), but you also have to be careful about the disc you're taking the information from as well. In that same submission, you added a birth year for John Cleese, which wasn't needed and had no documenation for it. I still would have voted no had you removed Madonna and not submitted a birth year for John Cleese, but would have voted yes had Madonna been left in and no birth year was put in for John Cleese.

It's just a matter of being careful about what's being submitted.

I gotta say though, I love that you're not taking any of the no votes to heart (even one of mine that could have read a little snotty  ) and you're working hard to make sure the proper info gets submitted.

Quoting skipnet50:

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Erik:

I find those notes to be nebulous and dubious at best. If you are going to add (uncredited) data, then describe how and where it was verified and perhaps even a time stamp, time stamp particularly helpful if you are doin a visual verification. But, which featurette, nook or whatever supplied the information. Not just Hey guys, I did it. I am not going to tell you how I did it but...
Skip

That is the plan... further, I no intention to 'delete' uncredited names for the pleasure of it... that would be too easy to do and an absolute waste of time. As mentioned earlier, I will go with what is on the movie first.. should someone have the knowledge (with fact) that an uncredited is in fact in the movie we amend! (As Merrik lol ;-) )

One thing does bother the heck out of me.. I feel I will be putting some times on this for only one region.

For sake of argument, lets stick with North America:

Title: Blade II
UPC available in USA / Canada
UPC 1: 794043555428 (1 disc)
UPC 2: 794043698828 (2 discs - Movie and bonus)
UPC 3: 794043727429 (include Blades 1 and Blade 2)

Each of these UPC can be associated with (Region1) United States, Canada and Canada(Quebec)

Meaning that I can get UPC1 X 3 different entries, UPC2 X3 and UPC3 X3 = 9 possible different entries

So all the changes I will do will affect, obviously, only 1 of those 9 possibilities.

Credits and Cast are the same for all of them, yet, only 1 will benefit of the changes.. see where this is going?? Now on Invelos I have found 40 different entries just for this movie! Regardless of the nation, the cast and crew should be the same except 'voice over' for other than english.. (so only 'voice' would be added) ....

Regards,

Eric

Bonjour Skip,

I do not think we are talking about the same thing.. that being said.. what you are typing I agree with! What I am talking about it the challenge of transferring casts/crew to other title of the same Language and not deleting cast for the pleasure of it...

I have found a way to do that transfer... will be a pain to do, but not impossible!

Regards,

Eric (Eric with a "c"  )