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| Registered: October 6, 2008 |  Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | (The only time I could find that this question was asked, it was not answered.)
In the Credits for X-Men: The Last Stand, there is mention of:
Additional Music By:
John Ashton Thomas
James McKee Smith
Do they get credited as Composers?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | They might get song writer credit, but the can't get composer credit. The composer credit is reserved for the composer of the film's Original Score. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
They might get song writer credit, but they can't get composer credit. The composer credit is reserved for the composer of the film's Original Score. Fully agreed! |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for your replies.
How do we know that "Music by" refers to the original score (therefore qualifying its holder for the Composer credit), but "Additional Music by" does not? |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
Thanks for your replies.
How do we know that "Music by" refers to the original score (therefore qualifying its holder for the Composer credit), but "Additional Music by" does not? 1) Credit placement 2) Because if the Additional Music people had done the Original Score they wouldn't have been credited for Additional Music. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: June 22, 2007 | | Posts: 89 |
| | Posted: | | | | But of course it can be Additional Score Music. In case of X MEN 3 it's quite likely, that Thomas and Smith wrote additional score music to fit the final edit while John Powell was no longer available, or the filmmakers were not quite satisfied with the music written for some scenes, or any other possible reasons. The question is whether the additional composers may get an entry in Profiler as Score composers, or not.
One thing in my opinion seems completeley wrong: A song writer credit, because then it would be "Songs (written) by" or "Additional Songs (written) by" in the credits. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the score were a collaboration, the credit would have been somethin alon the lines of 'Music by John Powell, John Ashton Thomas and James McKee Smith'.
The three people were not given equal credit for a reason. The use of the word 'additional' gives us that reason...while they did write music, it wasn't the score. Could they have written music that was added to the score? Sure, but that isn't the same as writing the score.
I usually leave these credits out as I don't think they fit into our crew credits. I was only offering 'song writer' as a possible option. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would leave them out. We don't credit additional anything else, so why should music be different? Actually, the current proposal for updating the music section of the rules spell out no additional music in the incorrect roles column to eliminate this confusion. Now it it ever gets added to the rules is another question entirely. | | | | Kevin |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agreed with Kevin | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting schaumi: Quote:
One thing in my opinion seems completeley wrong: A song writer credit, because then it would be "Songs (written) by" or "Additional Songs (written) by" in the credits. I agree but also "Music (written) by" beneath a song. Anyway now he is only allowed to be entered with a custom role. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | If functional equivalents were allowed in the rules, "Additional Music By" could get a song writer credit. Until then it has to be left out. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I woiulds not call Additional Mysic By a functional equivalent in ANY way, Rho. This is what I have referred to every time you bring up the undefined term of "functional equivalent", we do not use Additional anything else, art directors, editor, sound editorsm etc. This is no different and it is not functionally equivalent to Composer, Theme by, Soing Writer; what have you.
It appears to me that you intend to use functional equivalent as some sort of catch all phrase. Uh uh, definition that has real meaning, not something that is not defined or is ill-defined and results in some sort of a moving target.
It is simply not Contributable data at this time. You can however use the Other field within Music and credit the data there, but it is still NOT contribtable, but you will have the data if youi want it.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I woiulds not call Additional Mysic By a functional equivalent in ANY way, Rho. This is what I have referred to every time you bring up the undefined term of "functional equivalent", we do not use Additional anything else, art directors, editor, sound editorsm etc. This is no different and it is not functionally equivalent to Composer, Theme by, Soing Writer; what have you.
It appears to me that you intend to use functional equivalent as some sort of catch all phrase. Uh uh, definition that has real meaning, not something that is not defined or is ill-defined and results in some sort of a moving target.
It is simply not Contributable data at this time. You can however use the Other field within Music and credit the data there, but it is still NOT contribtable, but you will have the data if youi want it.
Skip You're correct that "additional music" would not be a functional equivalent to "song writer" according the current crew table as long as the additional music would not be songs written specifically for the film. It would depend on the kind of music and definition of song. In my vision "composer" would be used for the score and "song writer" would be used for any other piece of credited music specifically written for the film. Of course we could argue endlessly if music without lyrics could be a song. But anyway, without a rule change "additional music" is not contributable. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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