Would the following be allowed under the new rules:
Special Photographic Effects
Mechancial Special Effects

I have been leaving these types of credits out.

I also agree, I have been leaving the credits out.  Just listing the Visual Effects personnel.

When I'm doing a 1940's WWII movie and the only credit listed for all of the high speed model work is special photographic effects, I would lean towards including it.  That being said, it's easier to deal with an old film because there is typically a single person listed for any effects work.

I guess the actual movie that you're working on might have some bearing on the subject.

The other option, of course, is to just say the heck with it, as we are wont to do and just forget that movies were ever made before 1950.

I think a few questions should come to mind first.

1. Is the Special Photographic Effects credit the only one listed for those that provided the effects work?
2. When was the program made?


The first question is important because if nobody else is credited with providing the effects except for "Special Photographic Effects" credits then it seems fairly simple to come to the conclusion that they provided the Effects for the film.

The second question is important as well because it's likely that older films called this category something different from what we call it today.


For instance, the 1951 version of The Day the Earth Stood Still lists a sole credit for "Special Photographic Effects by Fred Sersen". No other person is credited with providing the effects.
Since the film involves a spaceship, Gorts laser & its affects on objects it seems logical that someone had to provide the effects for these items. Seems to me that Fred Sersen would be credited with "Visual Effects" credit as he's the only one who is credited with providing effects work on the film.

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Quoting CubbyUps:

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However the rules states the following.

If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.


Some people only point out part of the rule. If someone is not credited with one of these roles do not include them in the Crew section.

Ignoring the middle part.

Synonyms for "translation"
adaptation
rephrasing
restatement
conversion
rendition
interpretation

Unless I'm missing something, it sure does look like the rules currently allows users to adapt, rephrase, restate, convert etc. the roles shown on screen if they are close to what the allowed roles are.

Put it simply, does a person who does the "Special Photographic Effects" on a film the same as someone today who provides the Special or Visual Effects on a film?

It seems obvious to me that Direct Translation refers to the roles translated into another language...not ones interpretation of the role in the same language.

Quoting CubbyUps:

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I think a few questions should come to mind first.

1. Is the Special Photographic Effects credit the only one listed for those that provided the effects work?
2. When was the program made?


The first question is important because if nobody else is credited with providing the effects except for "Special Photographic Effects" credits then it seems fairly simple to come to the conclusion that they provided the Effects for the film.

The second question is important as well because it's likely that older films called this category something different from what we call it today.


For instance, the 1951 version of The Day the Earth Stood Still lists a sole credit for "Special Photographic Effects by Fred Sersen". No other person is credited with providing the effects.
Since the film involves a spaceship, Gorts laser & its affects on objects it seems logical that someone had to provide the effects for these items. Seems to me that Fred Sersen would be credited with "Visual Effects" credit as he's the only one who is credited with providing effects work on the film.

1. Yes
2. 1984