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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantfrostbitez
Registered: November 11, 2007
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I don't understand why my david gilmour - live in gdansk contribution gets rejected, when musicdeal's orginal contribution gets accepted when it clearly is a rip off the amercian release. Even his covers gets accepted even though the backcover states the wrong upc & video format.

While my scans from my own f@@king copy gets rejected  

The given reason for rejection is: "An invalid source, such as a third party database, was listed in the contribution notes. Use of a third party database is not allowed per the contribution rules."

I have not mentioned a third party database.  All I pointed out was that musicdeal's contribution was so full of errors that it should not have been accepted in the first place. Yet it gets approved while mine changes gets rejected
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantMole
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It might help us to help you if you posted the UPC/EAN of your contribution, so that we can take a look at it and suggest improvements.
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Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsnarbo
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Quoting Mole:
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It might help us to help you if you posted the UPC/EAN of your contribution, so that we can take a look at it and suggest improvements.



found 5-099923-548428 in his on-line collection for this title.

Steve

Having just read the profile (although its the online one) I can see No "Uncredited Cast" in there.
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Further, having just down loaded the profile I have to concur with Frostbitez the scans Don't match the EAN.

Frostbitez.

All I can say is resubmit this profile stating the point that the cover scans do not match the EAN.

When you list your cast contribution state exactly where you are getting it from. The best and number one place for a cast listing is the DVD credits themselves as they are sometimes different from what any cover states.

Make sure if you are supplying the correct cover scans - state so pointing out the EAN on the rear cover.

But number one piece of advise I could give you right now, mind who you have a go at over rejected contributions...the reviewer is the program owners spouse, and sometimes mistakes are made. Being a "User" built database we are all human (I am beginning to wonder on tthis ) and humans do make mistakes.

Steve
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantfrostbitez
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@snarbo
Okay I give it an other try and be more specific in the notes
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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Registered: May 8, 2007
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Quoting frostbitez:
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I don't understand why my david gilmour - live in gdansk contribution gets rejected, when musicdeal's orginal contribution gets accepted when it clearly is a rip off the amercian release. Even his covers gets accepted even though the backcover states the wrong upc & video format.

While my scans from my own f@@king copy gets rejected  

The given reason for rejection is: "An invalid source, such as a third party database, was listed in the contribution notes. Use of a third party database is not allowed per the contribution rules."

I have not mentioned a third party database.  All I pointed out was that musicdeal's contribution was so full of errors that it should not have been accepted in the first place. Yet it gets approved while mine changes gets rejected


That is totally unacceptable. Invelos needs to wake up before their whole database becomes inferior (which many argue it already is).
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You should also be sure to include sources for all your information, and keep your notes concise and to the point.

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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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That is totally unacceptable. Invelos needs to wake up before their whole database becomes inferior (which many argue it already is).


The screeners do not own every DVD there is.  They rely on us to be honest, and informative, in our contribution notes.  The contribution by Musicdeal was the initial contribution and there was nothing in his notes to indicate it was a bad contribution.  In addition, it was a bare bones contribution that didn't include much data at all.

frostbitez's contribution, on the other hand, had the following notes:

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It is beyond me how Musicdeal's contribution could be approved. It was just a 100% copy of the american release.
There are too changes made to list them all, but the SRP are definitely not in USD so I have changed it to EUR.
Cast & Crew are taken from the backcover.
Backcover now matches the UPC


I am sorry, but...
  • the rant is useless

  • there are no sources for the 'too many changes made to list them all'

  • there is no source for the SRP change

  • the back cover is not a valid source for cast and crew


  • If I were voting on this, I would have voted 'no' for the reasons listed above.  If people want to have contribution accepted, they need to include informative notes that detail the changes and the sources for them.  In my opinion, Invelos was correct in declining the contribution.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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    Registered: May 19, 2007
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    Quoting Grendell:
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    That is totally unacceptable. Invelos needs to wake up before their whole database becomes inferior (which many argue it already is).

    If you really fear for the quality of the database, it's probably better to do some profile updates yourself.
    Help improving the database, it still is user-generated and if you do so take care to provide valid sources for your changes. Ranting about earlier contributions doesn't help at all.

    So what's really unacceptable is the attitude of Frostbitez, who didn't care about even a minimum of documentation for his contribution.
    As Unicus already stated it was totally correct of Invelos to decline this contribution, in fact undocumented changes are not better than existing false profiles.
    It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
    But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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    Quoting Grendell:
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    That is totally unacceptable. Invelos needs to wake up before their whole database becomes inferior (which many argue it already is).


    Inferior to what?
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRaymondG
    Registered: July 7, 2007
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    Quoting Grendell:
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    Quoting frostbitez:
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    I don't understand why my david gilmour - live in gdansk contribution gets rejected, when musicdeal's orginal contribution gets accepted when it clearly is a rip off the amercian release. Even his covers gets accepted even though the backcover states the wrong upc & video format.

    While my scans from my own f@@king copy gets rejected  

    The given reason for rejection is: "An invalid source, such as a third party database, was listed in the contribution notes. Use of a third party database is not allowed per the contribution rules."

    I have not mentioned a third party database.  All I pointed out was that musicdeal's contribution was so full of errors that it should not have been accepted in the first place. Yet it gets approved while mine changes gets rejected


    That is totally unacceptable. Invelos needs to wake up before their whole database becomes inferior (which many argue it already is).


    I dare to wager it still is by far the most comprehensive database for DVD's to date. Validity and reliability could be better but is by no means inferior as this would imply a better database is out there (which there isn't).

    Rejection of this contribution seems fair to me. Letting the screeners make do with remarks like "too many to mention" is asking for a decline if you ask me, especially when you are talking about cast and crew. Furthermore I saw Frost referring to the COVER as source for cast which is an inferior source for that kind of information by default.

    So if you're concerned for the quality of our database, start by telling Frostbitezz off 
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    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
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    Based on the notes Unicus quoted (from frostbitez's contribution), this contribution SHOULD have been rejected.  The only actual documentation in those notes concerned the correct cover scan.

    If you want to replace garbage data with good data, you've got to document that your data is better and not just "different" garbage. Considering the number of contributions the reviewers have to deal with, if they get a contribution that isn't clearly documented, I doubt they'll take much time to determine if it's good or bad.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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    What little Ken said and Grendell, you were way out of line. I am glad I didn't catch that  comment earlier.

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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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    You want to accept an incorrect UPC scan over a correct one?

    YOU guys supporting this are the ones that are "way out of line."
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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    Grendell:

    I am making no judgement or comment relative tht OP. I am referring to your comment and only your comment. In fact, if you want to know, i had nobjection with to your factual statement, but you crossed the line when you decided to editorialize relative to Invelos, that is YOUR opinion but it is NOT fact, you are not in aposition to know much about what goes on at Invelos, and there are many users whose opinion is 180 degrees from yours, I found that part of your comment directed at Invelos to be highly inflammatory.

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    Outta here

    Billy Video
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