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What does "Publisher" mean??? |
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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just downloaded the new version and I noticed that we have a new field called "Publisher". Since we aren't profiling books, I just want to know what it's for and what it's intended use is. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | to publish something has nothing to do with books at all. Any kind of media (magazines, books, dvds, software, blogs,..etc.) is published by anyone. A Publisher releases stuff/products. And a media publisher is responsible for the product in all cases (content, packages, layout). And that fact is the most interesting one for us as "Media Collectors", that we wanna catch with the new field "Media Publisher", because it maybe told us about the quality of releases. (e.g. Warner Home Video Releases in Germany sucks normally  ) | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs | | | | Last edited: by madacid |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 |  Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | As previously discussed, the Publisher term is used to distinguish between the company that is responsible for the production of the DVD vs the company that physically distributes the DVD. Although most commonly used with printed word, the term "publish" can and does also apply to graphical media and software as well. *EDIT* Mad beat me to this.  The issue is that there is no single magic word that describes this field to everyone's satisfaction. Therefore, the uncommon use of the word "Publisher" is intentional to avoid preconceived notions. Further debate on the name of the field is unproductive. Instead, for those who wish to help avoid confusion and refine the use and rules of this field, please contribute to these ongoing discussions. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | double post | | | | Kevin | | | | Last edited: by antolod |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
As previously discussed, the Publisher term is used to distinguish between the company that is responsible for the production of the DVD vs the company that physically distributes the DVD. Although most commonly used with printed word, the term "publish" can and does also apply to graphical media and software as well. *EDIT* Mad beat me to this.
The issue is that there is no single magic word that describes this field to everyone's satisfaction. Therefore, the uncommon use of the word "Publisher" is intentional to avoid preconceived notions.
Further debate on the name of the field is unproductive. Instead, for those who wish to help avoid confusion and refine the use and rules of this field, please contribute to these ongoing discussions. Thanks for the explanation, Ken. Just wanted to know what you wanted in that field. Those "discussion" threads are clear as a concrete sidewalk. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 103 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
As previously discussed, the Publisher term is used to distinguish between the company that is responsible for the production of the DVD vs the company that physically distributes the DVD. The problem is that we only have a single field, and there are many, many examples where more than one company can be considered "responsible for the production of the DVD". The majority of the arguments now are over which of these to use. The best solution I have seen is the one suggested in the thread in the Contribution Rules forum - to have a set of three fields for DVD production companies, alongside the existing three Studios fields. | | | | Last edited: by TheFly |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | If there is more than one possiblity for only one field, we do the same procedure as always. We take the "supervising" whatever (e.g. Country of Origin...). At least till something change | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Further debate on the name of the field is unproductive. Instead, for those who wish to help avoid confusion and refine the use and rules of this field, please contribute to these ongoing discussions. The only way to avoid further confusion is to have the rule paraphrase what you wrote in your post..."Enter the company responsible for the production of the DVD." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem Ken, is that the ppoll was split, and we have hads the Distributor concept for YEARS and despite the split poll that says at least HALF of the users prefer the Distributor field, whgichj left us oipen to new fields for this "PUBLISHER" concept. you chose to trash the data and ignore half of your users. I am sorry my friend that is just plain wrong. The correct thging would be to discuss the PUBLISHER concept and create a NEW data field for it or as has been noted elsewhere to provide more fields to accomodate this possibility. The decision whatever its basis was just wrong.
I also do not deal in termijnol;ogy which has no meaning and no context within its setting. Thsi is NOT BookProfiler, Hollywood does not PUBLISH anything. Using fictional terminology is not useful to anyone.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The problem Ken, is that the ppoll was split, and we have hads the Distributor concept for YEARS and despite the split poll that says at least HALF of the users prefer the Distributor field, whgichj left us oipen to new fields for this "PUBLISHER" concept. you chose to trash the data and ignore half of your users. I am sorry my friend that is just plain wrong. The correct thging would be to discuss the PUBLISHER concept and create a NEW data field for it or as has been noted elsewhere to provide more fields to accomodate this possibility. The decision whatever its basis was just wrong.
Skip Skip, I must say, this is a first! You now call Ken Cole a trasher of the database!  And by the way, if you think that the 30 people or so that voted each way are half the users, DVDProfiler must have a very small user-base! pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You miss the point, paul, but I am not surprised.
I don't comprehend Ken's logic, it flies in the face of everything i know about databases. As I said Paul, based on the poll results I would not have changed the Field in any way. I would have entertained discussion on how best to approach this "NEW" data that users wanted, and based on what i have seen the best answer wuld appear to be a modification of the field name and addition of two new fields to accomodate both OLD and New Data. The logic based on the poll, to completely trash the OLD data in favor of some amorphous dataset which is not yet adequately defined is simply bizzare.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 129 |
| | Posted: | | | | Apart from the fact that I'd have stayed with 'Distributor' since it is a well-known name for the same concept but less often used 'Publisher', I disagree with Mr Skipnet - that is, with his superfluous harshness. If a poll is split, that is if two choices are chosen at equal numbers, any decision taken by the people putting the question will be wrong. At least that is what those will say whose choice is not honoured.
One could, sure, compromise, a concept I've not yet seen to be one Mr Skipnet embraces wholeheartedly, in that we use 'Pubutor' or 'Distribisher'. Or we could just be contend with the fact that both terms describe the same concept with regard to DVDs/Blu-ray/CDs etc. Downside: no inane flame wars positing themselves as 'discussions'. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mr. Skipnet passed away 36 years ago, the name is Skip. I have suggested a compromise, and there have been a couple of other good suggestions that would not have resulted in the wholesale discarding of data which has been entered for THREE years. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Adding a new field by definition discards no data. The vast majority of contributions I have seen for this particular field are simply a moving of the third "studio" entry into the new field, which also preserves the existing data.
If users are concerned with the database, please refocus this energy on crafting a simple rule for the entry of this field. The field name is semantics. The field rule and content should be the focus. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | deleted - Ken said it much better than I could | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
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