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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 55 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello I have a question regarding the distributor field of the Nightmare Before Christmas UK Blu-ray (UPC 8 717418 177096). On the back of the cover you find a logo of Walt Disney Pictures Home Entertainment. At the bottom of the back cover it says: This Blu-ray is not to be exported, resupplied or distributed .... without a proper licence from Buena Vista Home Entertainment. Who is now the distributor, Disney or Buena Vista?  The distributor field at the moment states Buena Vista. Thanks for your opinions on this. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dennis: Quote:
Hello
I have a question regarding the distributor field of the Nightmare Before Christmas UK Blu-ray (UPC 8 717418 177096).
On the back of the cover you find a logo of Walt Disney Pictures Home Entertainment.
At the bottom of the back cover it says: This Blu-ray is not to be exported, resupplied or distributed .... without a proper licence from Buena Vista Home Entertainment.
Who is now the distributor, Disney or Buena Vista?
The distributor field at the moment states Buena Vista.
Thanks for your opinions on this. Going on what I've read elsewhere in the forums, Buena Vista Home Entertainment, as they are the distributor for Disney. Steve |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the current field were still "distributor", BHVE would be correct. However, Ken has changed the field to be "media publisher" in which case Disney is correct.
There's a big battle going on in the Contribution Rules forum between the group that wants distributor and the one that wants the publisher (there's not even concensus over this title, BTW) so the answer as to which is correct isn't all that simple right now. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is no need to fight, it clearly says Publisher, and does it really matter that much ? | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Going by the old rules it would be Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment.
In 03.02.2008 Buena Vista Home Entertainment changed its name to Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment in Finland. I think this was the case in other countries too? | | | | Last edited: by whispering |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | whispering is correct | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
There is no need to fight, it clearly says Publisher, and does it really matter that much ? Evidently it does really matter that much. People with strong opinions are forming up on both sides. While the field clearly says Publisher now, it wasn't always so. Early on it said Distributor -- and that's what one side wants the field to contain (i.e., BVHE). There is a poll in the rules forum about this -- and the count is virtually even: distributor vs. "publisher." "Publisher" was a compromise that doesn't suit everyone. Especially since the word Publisher isn't used within the film industry. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm starting to see contributions where Touchstone Home Video and Buena Vista Home Entertainment Home Entertainment are both listed on the DVD case.
One contributor is entering Touchstone in the Studio section and Buena Vista in the Media Publisher field.
As I understand it, the studio fields are now restricted to Theatrical Film Distributors and/or Film Production Studios.
Touchstone Home Video does not fall into either of these categories.
Furthermore, isn't Buena Vista the "distributor"?
In this case I believe Touchstone goes in the Media Publisher field, and Buena Vista HE is left off entirely.
Thoughts? | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I disaagree hal, per the rules. BVHE remains it is within the Copyright data, while Touchgstone HV only gets a mention by LOGO.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Quoting DarklyNoon:
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There is no need to fight, it clearly says Publisher, and does it really matter that much ?
Evidently it does really matter that much. People with strong opinions are forming up on both sides.
While the field clearly says Publisher now, it wasn't always so. Early on it said Distributor -- and that's what one side wants the field to contain (i.e., BVHE). There is a poll in the rules forum about this -- and the count is virtually even: distributor vs. "publisher."
"Publisher" was a compromise that doesn't suit everyone. Especially since the word Publisher isn't used within the film industry. Publisher was no compromise, iI have outlined elsewhere what a Compromise would have been. Publisher is a total fabrication without definition within the film industry. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I'm starting to see contributions where Touchstone Home Video and Buena Vista Home Entertainment Home Entertainment are both listed on the DVD case. This is actually quite common for Disney owned companies. I can give you quite a few examples if you like. Quote:
One contributor is entering Touchstone in the Studio section and Buena Vista in the Media Publisher field.
As I understand it, the studio fields are now restricted to Theatrical Film Distributors and/or Film Production Studios.
Touchstone Home Video does not fall into either of these categories. Correct. Touchstone Home Video is the DVD Production company, so falls into the 'Publisher' catagory. Quote:
Furthermore, isn't Buena Vista the "distributor"? Yes. Quote:
In this case I believe Touchstone goes in the Media Publisher field, and Buena Vista HE is left off entirely.
Thoughts? Under the current rules you are, once again, correct. THV would go in the 'Publisher' field and BVHE is left off. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I disagree, Unicus.
"Enter the DVD publishing company which is usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits."
BVHRE is so listed, DisneyDVD, THV, etc are represented merly by LOGO. So my read of the Rules is that you are WRONG. BVHE remains CORRECT
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Publisher was no compromise, iI have outlined elsewhere what a Compromise would have been. Publisher is a total fabrication without definition within the film industry. Picky, picky, picky. A compromise doesn't require 100% participation. You can't say this was not a compromise simply because you don't agree with it. Ken used Publisher because you guys wouldn't let him go with Producer or Label, which were probably more representative of what we think belongs in the field. So who cares whether it has any definition within the film industry? This is DVD Profiler, not the film industry, as I recall you arguing many times in the past. @ DarklyNoon Skip's nit-picking response is precisely the reason I said there is a big battle going on in the rules committee. I don't think he will be happy unless he gets his own way, regardless of what anyone else wants. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I disagree, Unicus.
"Enter the DVD publishing company which is usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits."
BVHRE is so listed, DisneyDVD, THV, etc are represented merly by LOGO. So my read of the Rules is that you are WRONG. BVHE remains CORRECT
Skip That's just your opinion and not a fact. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I won't be happy as long as we are dealing with fictional data, Ken. That IS my major objection. FACT Publisjher is not a term used anywhere in the film industry. Its not being picky-picky, I deal with FACTUAL data not made-up or imagined data, that cannot be defined.
As I have noted before in order to deal with FICTIONAL data, you have to determine what the fictional data is ot is not and how it fits within the industry, neither of which have been achieved. ONLY then can decide how to create a Rule. You also do not create something based on few pieces of data which exist within the realm of ONE company but NONE of the others. That is why yo8u use industry standards, they are easy to define and write Rules for.
A compromise by definition pleases NO ONE completely and makes no one completely unhappy. This is NO COMPROMISE by definition...you are happy while others are NOT.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
I disagree, Unicus.
"Enter the DVD publishing company which is usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits."
BVHRE is so listed, DisneyDVD, THV, etc are represented merly by LOGO. So my read of the Rules is that you are WRONG. BVHE remains CORRECT
Skip
That's just your opinion and not a fact. That's my read of the Rule, ken and yours is no different or better than mine. Under that Rule I will vote NO to any attempts at corruption by inclusion of DisneyDVD, etal. This is about totally wrecking ONE field of data in order to make a few users hapy over.... FIVE sets of data that are present within ONE company and no where else. Plus one COMPANY that calls itself a PUBLISHER on its website but NOT on ANY of its packaging. The new proposed solutiomn would allow us to pick up to relatively new additions MGM HE +20th HE and Columbvia Tri HE +Sony Pictures HE. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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