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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi'yall. I've recently submitted a change for the parsing of Kelly Collins Lintz. Currently parsed as Kelly // Collins Lintz. Reparsed by me as Kelly / Collins / Lintz. I've got a no-vote stating that I need to provide proof of the reparsing  . Have I misunderstood the whole parsing issue?  This is clearly three separate names (no hyphens) and the initial contribution did not "prove" that the correct parsing is Kelly // Collins Lintz. Why do we have a middle name field if not to be used in such instances? I've not seen anything in the forums regarding this particular name either, nor in the "Credited as" Database. Just for the record: This was not the only change I made to the existing profile - there were several other corrections made....  Thanks in advance for clarifying!   | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Her official site is kellylintz.com. Not saying that's her name... They do however refer to her as "Ms. Lintz" She did at one time seem to go by Kelly Collins Lintz based on her signature of a post she made at IMDbMy guess is we'll just argue about it for15-20 pages.  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | I Would completly agree with you If no proof is given/found on the Invelos website: default parsing should be used: 1/2/3. If someone want it otherwise .... | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree 100% with Giga. As I have said 1000 times it is NOT uncommon to see qa woman move her maiden name to middle name status, without the hyphen we have NO evidence to assume other K/C/L.
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | That would make her: Kelly/Collins/Lintz | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Absolutely CORRECT, Giga. As I pointed out, in fact is entirely possible that Collins is not even her maiden name...it could be. It could also be merely a middle name chosen by her family and including the name of a family from their tree or a friend... we simply don't know.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Hi'yall.
I've recently submitted a change for the parsing of Kelly Collins Lintz. Currently parsed as Kelly // Collins Lintz. Reparsed by me as Kelly / Collins / Lintz.
I've got a no-vote stating that I need to provide proof of the reparsing . Have I misunderstood the whole parsing issue? This is clearly three separate names (no hyphens) and the initial contribution did not "prove" that the correct parsing is Kelly // Collins Lintz. Yes, you have misunderstood an important contribution concept. Every change has to be documented. Since both parsing options are not against the rules and since there is no default parsing given by the rules, you have to document that "Collins" is used as a middle name before you change "Kelly // Collins Lintz" to "Kelly / Collins / Lintz". It doesn't matter that the previous contribution has no documentation in the contribution notes. All that matters is that the previous contribution has been accepted. EDIT: You can of course use the documentation given in this thread. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
I Would completly agree with you If no proof is given/found on the Invelos website: default parsing should be used: 1/2/3. If someone want it otherwise .... There is no default parsing. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah what are saying now, you can do as you please? Put all the names in the first field? All the names in the middle field? All the names in the last field? Or do you shuflle the names and drop them as you please in what ever name field? Quote:
Many people's names include one or more middle names, placed between the first given name and the surname. In the West, a middle name is effectively a second given name. In the Anglosphere there is usually only one middle name, often abbreviated by its possessor to the middle initial or omitted entirely in everyday use. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Yes, you have misunderstood an important contribution concept. Every change has to be documented. Since both parsing options are not against the rules and since there is no default parsing given by the rules, you have to document that "Collins" is used as a middle name before you change "Kelly // Collins Lintz" to "Kelly / Collins / Lintz". It doesn't matter that the previous contribution has no documentation in the contribution notes. All that matters is that the previous contribution has been accepted. This is maybe your concept? First/Middle/Last is a parcing default and need no further ruling in the Invelos contribution ruling. Quote:
Many people's names include one or more middle names, placed between the first given name and the surname. In the West, a middle name is effectively a second given name. In the Anglosphere there is usually only one middle name, often abbreviated by its possessor to the middle initial or omitted entirely in everyday use. But if this is your way to be difficult, go ahead and do as you please. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Ah what are saying now, you can do as you please?
Put all the names in the first field?
All the names in the middle field?
All the names in the last field?
Or do you shuflle the names and drop them as you please in what ever name field?
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Many people's names include one or more middle names, placed between the first given name and the surname. In the West, a middle name is effectively a second given name. In the Anglosphere there is usually only one middle name, often abbreviated by its possessor to the middle initial or omitted entirely in everyday use. That is exactly what Rho does. Sometimes he throws them up in the air and plays 52 pick up. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Yes, you have misunderstood an important contribution concept. Every change has to be documented. Since both parsing options are not against the rules and since there is no default parsing given by the rules, you have to document that "Collins" is used as a middle name before you change "Kelly // Collins Lintz" to "Kelly / Collins / Lintz". It doesn't matter that the previous contribution has no documentation in the contribution notes. All that matters is that the previous contribution has been accepted.
This is maybe your concept? First/Middle/Last is a parcing default and need no further ruling in the Invelos contribution ruling.
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Many people's names include one or more middle names, placed between the first given name and the surname. In the West, a middle name is effectively a second given name. In the Anglosphere there is usually only one middle name, often abbreviated by its possessor to the middle initial or omitted entirely in everyday use.
But if this is your way to be difficult, go ahead and do as you please. Good description of modus operandii. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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 | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | RHo is absolutely right: there is no "default" way of parsing whatsoever. For those that really crave such a "default" system, the closest hint we've got is the way the software deals with three-piece names itself: try to make a new cast entry in your local database by entering "Kelly Collins Lintz" and then click on "Add Cast Member", and see what how the program parses it. There you go.
For the record: I'm not at all saying that this settles all parsing issues - certainly not. It's just the closest thing to any official word from Invelos on parsing - contrary to what some people will proclaim there has never been a single word from Ken or Gerri as to what the "default" or "correct" way of parsing of any such names is or should be, and contributions/changes/"fixes" either way are frequently accepted. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Giga:
The name of the game around here is to never make something simple when you can complicate it..
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
For those that really crave such a "default" system, the closest hint we've got is the way the software deals with three-piece names itself: try to make a new cast entry in your local database by entering "Kelly Collins Lintz" and then click on "Add Cast Member", and see what how the program parses it. There you go. Hmmm. By this methodology Michael J. Fox's last name "J. Fox". The software's silly parsing methodology means nothing other than it needs fixed. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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