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Do we enter a 'supervising producer'?
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Recreating a poll from Intervocative:

Simple question: do we enter someone who's credited as 'supervising producer' as 'producer' (the same way we enter a 'supervising art director' as 'art director'), or don't we?
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Me too! The definition of "supervising producer" at the Producer's Guild of America shows that he's, in short, the head producer. It would be ridiculous to leave him out, yet enter those that work under him. It as, as the poll question already indicates, very similar to supervising art directors and art directors. Nobody would dream of leaving out the supervising art director while listing those that work under him, so why would we do that for producers? It's the exact same thing.
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But you fail to mention that the rules mention Supervising Art Director specifically. Thus it's not the exact same thing. Please tell the whole truth, not just parts of it.

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Me too! The definition of "supervising producer" at the Producer's Guild of America shows that he's, in short, the head producer. It would be ridiculous to leave him out, yet enter those that work under him. It as, as the poll question already indicates, very similar to supervising art directors and art directors. Nobody would dream of leaving out the supervising art director while listing those that work under him, so why would we do that for producers? It's the exact same thing.

Tim:

You have, not surprisingly, misinterpreted the PGA definitions. The Supervising is clearly even according to the PGA not the HEAD Producer.

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But you fail to mention that the rules mention Supervising Art Director specifically. Thus it's not the exact same thing. Please tell the whole truth, not just parts of it.

And you "fail" to mention that the rules do not mention Art Director specifically and yet everybody, I know, are entering them.
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Except that Art Director is mentioned in the program and in the role column in the rules. Supervising producer is not 

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But you fail to mention that the rules mention Supervising Art Director specifically. Thus it's not the exact same thing. Please tell the whole truth, not just parts of it.

And you "fail" to mention that the rules do not mention Art Director specifically and yet everybody, I know, are entering them.

Correct! So really: it is the exact same thing. Also take a look at these perfectly valid comments: there really is no sense, IN ANY CREW CATEGORY, to leave the supervisor out, but instead only list those that work under him. It's just ridiculous.
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Me too! The definition of "supervising producer" at the Producer's Guild of America shows that he's, in short, the head producer. It would be ridiculous to leave him out, yet enter those that work under him. It as, as the poll question already indicates, very similar to supervising art directors and art directors. Nobody would dream of leaving out the supervising art director while listing those that work under him, so why would we do that for producers? It's the exact same thing.

Tim:

I am waiting for you to correct you misledaing and FALSE remark. The head of production is WHO according to the PGA.

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I think Skip's right.  One of the ways you can become a "supervising producer" under the PGA rules is by being a DIRECTOR (not a producer) who supervises other episode directors.  That boots it out of the producer category for me; it's neither fish nor fowl.
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Except that Art Director is mentioned in the program and in the role column in the rules. Supervising producer is not 

No, not directly. But a supervising producer isn't incorrect either as he/she isn't a co- or an associate.
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And neither is line producer or consultant producer if we were to follow you there 

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And neither is line producer or consultant producer if we were to follow you there 

But line and consultant aren't mentioned in other columns and supervising is. That's the difference.
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Not ONLY has Tim falsely mislead he is trying to apply a definition for SP to anything film to a definition that the PGA applies ONLY to Television.

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I voted "NO"

The Rules for Producing Credits for a Television Series according to the Producers Guild of America

Credit Guidelines for TELEVISION SERIES

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER (sanctioned by PGA)

  1. The credit of Executive Producer is to be granted to the individual whose only reporting responsibility is to the entities financing and distributing the series.
  2. Subject to the control of the Owner (see Rules of Arbitration, section I.B), the Executive Producer has final responsibility for the creative and business aspects of the production of the series, with direct participation in making decisions concerning a majority of the producing functions (see Section 3 for comprehensive list).

CO-EXECUTIVE PRODUCER

  1. The Co-Executive Producer reports directly and immediately to the Executive Producer, from whom the Co-Executive Producer assumes direct supervisory responsibilities for above and below the line operations.
  2. The credit of Co-Executive Producer is granted solely at the discretion of the Executive Producer (previous producing credits are not required).
  3. The credit of Co-Executive Producer shall apply only to primary creative contributors to the series that qualify under one of three categories:
        1. If performing services as a writer on the series, the contributor also must perform, in a decision-making capacity, a preponderance of the producing functions listed in PCOC Section 3; OR
        2. If performing services as a director on the series, the contributor also must perform, in a decision-making capacity, a preponderance of the producing functions listed in PCOC Section 3; OR
        3. If performing "Produced By" services on the series, and so long as no other person receives the "Produced By" credit on the series, the contributor must perform, in a decision-making capacity, a majority of the producing functions described in PCOC Section 3.

SUPERVISING PRODUCER

  1. The Supervising Producer reports directly to the Exec. Producer and/or Co-Exec. Producer.
  2. The credit of Supervising Producer is granted solely at the discretion of the Exec. Producer.
  3. The credit of Supervising Producer shall apply only to primary creative contributors to the series that perform, in a decision-making capacity, a substantial number of producing functions.
  4. The credit of Supervising Producer only shall apply to primary creative contributors to the series that qualify under one of three categories:
        1. Having received the credit of Writer-Producer for no less than two full seasons of this or other series episodes that have been nationally telecast; OR
        2. Having received the credit of Producer or "Produced By" for no less than two full seasons of this or other series episodes that have been nationally telecast; OR
        3. As a director who has responsibility for supervising all episodic directors on the series.

PRODUCED BY or LINE PRODUCER

  1. The individual receiving the Produced By credit reports directly and immediately to the Executive Producer.
  2. There never shall be more than one Produced By credit on any episode of a series.
  3. The individual receiving the Produced By credit has the primary responsibility for the logistics of the production of the series, from pre-production through delivery of each episode; all Department Heads report directly to the Produced By.
  4. If the individual who performs the Produced By functions is granted the title of Co-Executive Producer, there shall be no Produced By credit afforded on the series.

PRODUCER/CO-PRODUCER

  1. The Producer/Co-Producer reports directly to the Supervising Producer.
  2. The credit of Producer/Co-Producer is granted solely at the discretion of the Exec. Producer.
  3. The credit of Producer/Co-Producer shall apply only to primary creative contributors to the series that perform, in a decision-making capacity, a substantial number of producing functions.
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Not ONLY has Tim falsely mislead he is trying to apply a definition for SP to anything film to a definition that the PGA applies ONLY to Television.


The only "mislead" T!M has posted was the link to the TV credit guidelines (cmaeditor already quoted them). From the PGA FAQ at http://www.producersguild.org/pg/about_a/faq.asp:

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What does a Supervising Producer do?
A Supervising Producer supervises one or more producers in the performance of some or all of his/her/their producer functions, on single or multiple productions, either in place of, or subject to the overriding authority of an Executive Producer.


I'm not entirely sure, but I probably have been inconsistent in my own handling of this credit. But T!M's arguments made sense to me, so I voted "Yes" in this poll. Besides that, I will stay out of this discussion as it only grates on my nerves. Have fun.
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