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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Stephen Sondheim has to credits in the film. The first is, 'Music and Lyrics by Stephen Sondheim', and the second is, 'Based on the Musical by Stephen Sondheim'.
My question is, do we give him a composer credit for the first?
In addition, there is a credit that reads, 'From an Adaptation by Christopher Bond'.
Does that get an OMB credit? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 670 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hmmm... I guess I would break it down like this:
Music and Lyrics by Stephen Sondheim
That makes a composer-credit for Sondheim.
Based on the Musical by Stephen Sondheim
From an Adaptation by Christopher Bond
From this I see two possibilities: Bond did a "rewrite" of the story, changing the plot a bit. In that case I would go with "Original Characters By" Sondheim, and then give Bond a Writer-credit.
The other possibility is that Bond adapted the original work to be used for the movie - then I would give Sondheim Writer-credit and Bond Screenwriter.
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| | Posted: | | | | @Rander That sounds logical, but then who am I.   Rory  @ Unicus I do own this title, so if you use Randers suggestion I'll vote in favor. Rory | | | DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually, it's the other way round, Sondheim based his musical on a play by Christopher Bond. So I would give both Sondheim and Bond OMB, and give Sondheim a composer credit too (as well as scoring the musical, he wrote various "bridging" pieces to cover the bits that were taken out by Tim Burton). |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Actually, it's the other way round, Sondheim based his musical on a play by Christopher Bond. So I would give both Sondheim and Bond OMB, and give Sondheim a composer credit too (as well as scoring the musical, he wrote various "bridging" pieces to cover the bits that were taken out by Tim Burton). I have to ask: Is this something you just know? I do you read it from the credits? In case of the latter, I really would like an explanation? (And no, I am not being sarcastic in any way, but I really don't see how you can make that conclusion from the credits given (provided they are listed in the order as presented here)?) | | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
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| | Posted: | | | | Being a fan, I already knew the basic history of the musical. However, it is in the credits:
Based on the Musical by Stephen Sondheim
From an Adaptation by Christopher Bond
This credit is saying that it is the musical that is "from an adaptation", not the film. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Being a fan, I already knew the basic history of the musical. However, it is in the credits:
Based on the Musical by Stephen Sondheim
From an Adaptation by Christopher Bond
This credit is saying that it is the musical that is "from an adaptation", not the film. I admit I have never seen it, but I read it the other way around - that it was based on an adaptation of the original musical. I guess it just goes to show that there are traps everywhere... | | | | The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. (William Gibson) |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Being a fan, I already knew the basic history of the musical. However, it is in the credits:
Based on the Musical by Stephen Sondheim
From an Adaptation by Christopher Bond
This credit is saying that it is the musical that is "from an adaptation", not the film. Your insight is greatly appreciated. I also thought the adaptation was based on the musical. Based on your comment I did a little research and found the following at Wikipedia: Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street: A Musical Thriller is a Tony Award-winning musical with a book by Hugh Wheeler and music and lyrics by Stephen Sondheim. The musical is based on the 19th century legend of Sweeney Todd, though more specifically, the 1973 play Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street by Christopher Bond.So it does seem that the film is based on the musical which was based on the play. As such, I will give them both OMB credits. As an aside, I am trying to picture Angela Lansbury in the HBC role. Can't quite do it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
As an aside, I am trying to picture Angela Lansbury in the HBC role. Can't quite do it. Gotta remember, the play was produced 35 years ago. Angela Lansbury was quite a looker back in the day  .  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
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| | Posted: | | | | Though, not as much of a looker when she was in character.  |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
As an aside, I am trying to picture Angela Lansbury in the HBC role. Can't quite do it. You can see it yourself, as the 1982 production is available on DVD from Warner Brothers. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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As an aside, I am trying to picture Angela Lansbury in the HBC role. Can't quite do it.
Gotta remember, the play was produced 35 years ago. Angela Lansbury was quite a looker back in the day It wasn't her looks that were causing the problem. HBC has a more, um, psychotic look to her...as does Depp. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| | Posted: | | | | The extras on the 2-disc version also have Sondheim discussing how he saw Bond's production of the play in London and it gave him the idea for doing the musical, so we have it from The Man Himself. Original Material By. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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