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The Unsaid: disc-id 28CA3981D20E7635 [THE_UNSAID]
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this disc-id belongs to the folowing releases:
stand alone dvd: The Unsaid

dvd box: Andy Garcia Movie Collection

dvd box: Best of Movie Power Volume #2

the online disc-id version has the cover and part of the overview from "Best of Movie Power Volume #2" this clearly not right, as the disc id is for the 3 releases.

so i'm replacing the cover for the online online disc-id version with the cover of its original release with the original overview. so that it matches all 3 releases. and not just one box.

now is there a user complaining:
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Replacing the box cover is valid only if the children come in their own packaging. Copying the overview from a different edition is not allowed either


the box cover is for the box, and the child get's the original 1st relase cover.
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I'm assuming the initial release has it's own EAN so is profiled using that rather than the disc ID.

I would say the cover used is that of the first release that could not be profiled on a separate EAN so needed to use the ID instead, ie. the first box set released which contains that disc.

So if the Andy Garcia box came first, we use that cover. If the Movie Power #2 box came first, we use that one. Unless the initial release had no EAN to use, we wouldn't use that cover or overview.
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Agreed with northbloke.
In addition: You are free to change the cover and overview according to the DVD release you own, but are, as you surely know, doomed to keep this local.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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I'm the user quoted by Giga.

The stand alone dvd has an EAN of its own (8715664020715), and of course is in the Invelos database by EAN. So that one's irrelevant.

Now, I wasn't aware there were actually two box sets containing the same disc containing The Unsaid. I'm assuming in both of them, The Unsaid would have to be contributed as a child profile by Disc ID (I don't have the Andy Garcia Movie Collection box).

In this situation, I agree with northbloke - use the box set data (both cover and overview) from the box that was released first. The Moviepower box was released in September 2003. I can't find any information on the release date of the other one (Giga contributed it very recently - can't seem to find it in any webshop here in The Netherlands - BTW, Giga: you might want to correct the Production Year in that box set profile - it's wrong - should be 2001 rather than 2006, oldest production in the set is The Unsaid! I submitted a similar correction for the other box set just now).

So until further notice, I would still argue: use both the cover and the overview from the Moviepower box.

In any case: replacing them with the ones from the stand alone dvd, which has an EAN of its own, is wrong.
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Come on a DVD Box cover has nothing lost on a child cover, you get the information of all the other movies on that child. the first released disc-id is the more logic choice. What is the use of having all DVD Box covers on the childs inside a box or boxes.
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I beg to differ. It is my understanding that as far as box sets go, the general approach for the central database is to use the box set cover for child profiles as well, unless the children have a cover of their own (separate packaging), no matter if there's a stand alone release for a film on a child or not. I have recently contributed children for a different box set myself and contributed covers of the box, and the screeners immediately approved them.

So, amending your rule, I would say: the first released disc-id that has to be contributed by disc ID is the more logic choice.
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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I beg to differ. It is my understanding that as far as box sets go, the general approach for the central database is to use the box set cover for child profiles as well, unless the children have a cover of their own (separate packaging), no matter if there's a stand alone release for a film on a child or not.



For this you are correct.


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the rules don't say anything in this case. 3 releases with the same disc-id. All released under different packaging.
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True, but what you continuously forget to mention: one of the three can be contributed by EAN, and therefore has no bearing on the other two (or actually: just one) profiles.

BTW: I was merely quoting what I thought to be the consensus on how to handle covers for children in box sets. I'm not saying it's what I would prefer myself (but then again: personal preferences should be kept local).
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I did not have to mention that you can see that the stand alone is in the database with his EAN if you look at the first message and hover over the covers of the releases. it shows their EAN.
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There's more than just a concensus on how we deal with covers on child profiles - it's in the rules: child profiles get the cover scans of the parent profile unless they have their own cover.
So the disc ID profile of The Unsaid should have the cover scans of the first released parent profile it's connected to.
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@ Giga:
My point was: what you want to do is copy covers and overview from a different profile to this one. And whilst that may be OK for local purposes, it's not OK for the Invelos database. E.g. I may like the cover or overview for the UK release of The Unsaid better than the ones for the NL release, but that's no reason to contribute them for the NL release.

@ North:
Thanks for reminding me (and all of us, for that matter)!
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not at all, what i did was take the covers of the original release for that discid from the same distributor. So if you have a dvd box with 40 dvd's with no own cover you have to put 40 times the DVD box cover in to the childs cover, and what use has that? I don't get it. So i have now information in the child that is not belonging there? (Information of DVD's that are not in that box? Where is the logic in that.
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not at all, what i did was take the covers of the original release for that discid from the same distributor. So if you have a dvd box with 40 dvd's with no own cover you have to put 40 times the DVD box cover in to the childs cover, and what use has that? I don't get it. So i have now information in the child that is not belonging there? (Information of DVD's that are not in that box? Where is the logic in that.

Simply put, if you have a boxset with 40 dvds then yes, you have to use the parent profile's covers 40 times - that's the rules. No one's said it's logical, but it's the rules. You're free to change it locally, but not for the online.
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Regarding the 40 dvd box: yes, that's exactly what the rules tell you to do, as north pointed out.

What you did was exactly what I said: you took covers and overview from a different profile (the EAN-based one) and replaced the covers and overview the box set provides for this profile (the Disc ID-one) with the ones from the other profile. And - no offence intended! - that's simply not on.

There is a different problem however: the fact that the same disc with no EAN of its own is part of two different box sets. This is a problem very similar to the one where one and the same EAN is used for two different movies in the same locality. I'm afraid only Ken can solve this one. We would need more identifiers than just EAN/UPC and Disc ID to be able to properly deal with it. If this were solved, you could use the covers from the Andy Garcia Movie Collection set rather than the Moviepower covers. Within the current Contribution Rules, this would solve your problem. I do understand you don't want covers that also mention films you don't have - in this particular case DVDP can't handle this properly, I'm afraid.
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I don't think there is any more I can add.  I agree with Dee and North.
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