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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the cast list rules it states Quote:
If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits. Now i have a few films (mainly older one's) where the whole cast is in the opening credits and then only the main cast repeated in the end credits, following the above rule this results is the main cast appearing below the other cast members. So i was wondering if a amendment to the rule would be appropriate something along the lines of Quote:
If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler in the order of the opening credits. so that they would then be put in the credits in the same order they appear in the opening credits, Just seems strange to have the main cast after the other cast members.  | | | | Last edited: by ninehours |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | maybe it looks strange, but not stranger than the list in order of appearance.
However I don't follow your reasoning?
you take the first appearing credits and put them in DVD profiler.
then you take the remaining cast from the endcredits if any are left over?
So all the cast that are in the first credit are allready in the front. and from the endcredits come none as they allready appeared in the opening credits? So there is no problem? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
maybe it looks strange, but not stranger than the list in order of appearance.
However I don't follow your reasoning?
you take the first appearing credits and put them in DVD profiler.
then you take the remaining cast from the endcredits if any are left over?
So all the cast that are in the first credit are allready in the front. and from the endcredits come none as they allready appeared in the opening credits? So there is no problem? But that's not exactly what it says. Quoting Rules: Quote:
If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits. As I interpret the Rule, you enter the end credits into DVDP, and then any entries that appear in the beginning credits but not in the end credits go at the beginning of the cast list in DVDP. So it is possible to have "lesser" actors listed before the main actors. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
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If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits. all actors from opening credits go in front of the actors from the endcredits in this situation all cast is in opening credits, so none are left in the endcredits to put in? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | anyway if you change the rules most likely this will have an effect on the younger movies. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,672 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
all actors from opening credits go in front of the actors from the endcredits That's not what the rule says. I read the rule the same way that Hal does. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, but it says "add these to the list in DVDP Profiler before those taken from the end credits."
"These" refers to any credits that appear in the opening credits but not the closing credits.
In order to add these before those from the end credits, those from the end credits must first be in DVDP.
That's the way it actually reads. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nine:
While I understand what you are saying, such cast members must be accounted for. They would either PRECEDE or FOLLOW the regular cast list. If it was FOLLOWINF some other user would present an argument not dissimilar from yours because they would want it some other way. Just follow the Rules and do whatever you want to locally. It may seem strange to you but it accounts for those actors in those rare occurrences when they appear at the front end but not at the back end.
Do what you want locally, but follow the Rules for Contribution.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hal has it correct.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with the rest... the rules are fine the way they are... I read them the same way as Hal | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I read them the same way Hal does and I don't think the rule needs to be changed.
For my local, I use a method that, I believe, James came up with.
I create a divider that reads 'Cast in order of Appearance', or 'Cast in Alphabetical Order', or whatever it might be. I place that at the top of the cast list and then add the main cast above it.
That allows me to have the cast 'as credited' as well as keeping the main actors at the top for reports. For an example of this, in my collection, take a look at 'Beowulf'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I read them the same way Hal does and I don't think the rule needs to be changed.
For my local, I use a method that, I believe, James came up with.
I create a divider that reads 'Cast in order of Appearance', or 'Cast in Alphabetical Order', or whatever it might be. I place that at the top of the cast list and then add the main cast above it.
That allows me to have the cast 'as credited' as well as keeping the main actors at the top for reports. For an example of this, in my collection, take a look at 'Beowulf'. Yes, this is what I do for my personal collection. As for the rule, I also agree with Hal and the others. I don't think there's a way to write the rule that will result in 100% satisfaction. There was recently a discussion about how this rule caused Agnes Moorhead to appear before the other main cast of Bewitched; wasn't there? Sometimes for old movies, you'll find 20 actors listed in the beginning credits and 19 in the end credits. It looks goofy to list the 1 minor actor at the head of the cast of 19, but that's the way it goes. If you rewrite the rule, it will mess up as many other profiles as it fixes. IMO. | | | ...James
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| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Hal also. | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with everyone who says to leave the rule as it currently reads. Changing the rule would create as many problems as it solves. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | No need to change the rule, just fix it locally. I'm reaching the point where there are very few profiles I don't have to "clean" when I download them from the online. Not that there's anything drastically wrong them, they just don't fit my personal format. The primary issue is getting all the cast in there, the rest is semantics. |
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