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Good evening, Sirs.

What is the indisputable distinction between second first names, middle names,
and two-part surnames?

Love, bb b bb
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There is none that I am aware of.  They have to be dealt with on a case by case basis.
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Good evening, Sirs.

What is the indisputable distinction between second first names, middle names,
and two-part surnames?

Love, bb b bb

That easy!
The first bits are the first names, the last bits are the last names, and everything in between are the middle names! 
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Good evening, Sirs.

What is the indisputable distinction between second first names, middle names,
and two-part surnames?

Love, bb b bb

That easy!
The first bits are the first names, the last bits are the last names, and everything in between are the middle names! 


Of course! 

Provided that each part can contain more than one word, and the part in middle can be null. 
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Good evening, Sirs.

What is the indisputable distinction between second first names, middle names,
and two-part surnames?

Love, bb b bb

That easy!
The first bits are the first names, the last bits are the last names, and everything in between are the middle names! 


Correct, with one samll proviso. IF you can document that the parsing should be some other way, then do so and provide your supporting documentation.

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Correct, with one samll proviso. IF you can document that the parsing should be some other way, then do so and provide your supporting documentation.

"Some other way" makes it sound like we have some kind of "general starting point" for parsing, but... As of yet, there's no such thing.
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Of course! 

Provided that each part can contain more than one word, and the part in middle can be null. 

The last part can be null as well. Maybe there is even a case where the first and middle parts are null but the last part consists of more than one word.
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I think the only thing we can agree on is that all three parts shouldn't be null! 
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As of yet, there's no such thing.

Of course we have:
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#  If an actor name is only a first name or stage name enter it entirely in the first name field. Examples are Cher, Madonna, Cedric the Entertainer & Queen Latifah.
# If an actor's credited name includes a nickname, highlighted by ", ’ or ( ), list it in the middle name field. For example John "JS" Smith, John ‘JS’ Smith or John (JS) Smith
# Articles (such as de, de la, di, von) are entered in the appropriate name field along with the name that they precede. Use the film credits to determine whether the actor capitalizes this article or not.

And then there are the field labels.

But I do agree: to stare at the credits only does not help parsing the name into the fields.
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good song, i really enjoy MxPx. only question I have is isn't this better suited for general discussion  
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There is none that I am aware of.  They have to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

I see.

I did not ask for no reason, within the next three days I have to pronounce judgement
on this concrete case:

Is "Alden" a second first, middle, or the first word of a two-part last name?

Provided that Alden is no Chinese.
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Don't assume, bbbbb. As noted for our purposes it is a middle name unless it can be documeted otherwise. Alden could be any of the three possibilities, though as you describe it  First Name is out of the question.

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There is none that I am aware of.  They have to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

I see.

I did not ask for no reason, within the next three days I have to pronounce judgement
on this concrete case:

Is "Alden" a second first, middle, or the first word of a two-part last name?

Provided that Alden is no Chinese.

Still depends on the concrete credit and the person behind the credit.
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Don't assume, bbbbb. As noted for our purposes it is a middle name unless it can be documeted otherwise. Alden could be any of the three possibilities, though as you describe it  First Name is out of the question.

Skip

Am I missing something? What information has bbbbb given to you to support middle name? If I see a credit which says "Alden" (and "Alden" only), I would put it into the first name field. Single word credits are usually stage names.
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I didn't say he had. he apparently ie reviewing "Alden" which could be a First, Middle or Last and since he started this thread I presume in this case we can Rule out that he is referring to a first name, though maybe not, there are after all hyphenated first names as well as last.

You really do need to follow the discussions, Rho, if you are going to keep stepping into them. You aren't leaving me many options here, except to paraphrase a film, and speak to you like you were 4 years old, sometimes that could benefit all of us.

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I didn't say he had. he apparently ie reviewing "Alden" which could be a First, Middle or Last and since he started this thread I presume in this case we can Rule out that he is referring to a first name, though maybe not, there are after all hyphenated first names as well as last.

He had said nothing about the concrete credit than "Alden". Why would you presume anything?

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Don't assume (...)
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