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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | I have a quandry. I have done child profiles for Six Feet Under: The Complete Second (and Third) Season including cast and crew which I want to contribute. My problem is that there are already parent profiles online which use the Disc 1 Disc ID for the entire season.
Apparently when Six Feet Under: The Complete Series was contributed, the contributor used the Disc ID from Disc 1 to be the parent profile for that season.
I recently submitted Season One parent and child profiles, but I didn't have a problem with Disc 1 since there was apparently a different Disc ID for the single season box and the complete series box:
Six Feet Under: The Complete First Season: SIX_FEET_UNDER_S1D1 Disc ID: 9F48-E3A1-E7D6-DB65
Six Feet Under: The Complete Series: SIX_FEET_UNDER_SEASON1_DISC1 Disc ID 2FF7-964B-BD5E-A60B[/li]
It looks like the producers used different Disc IDs for season 1 than for seasons 2 thru 5 when they did the Complete Series set. Note that the description for the single season disc is SIX_FEET_UNDER_S1D1 while the description for the complete set is SIX_FEET_UNDER_SEASON1_DISC1
Should I contribute the child profiles for seasons 2 through 4 the way I have them -- which would overwrite the Season profiles for the Complete Series set? It wouldn't make sense to contribute only discs 2 thru 5 and forget about disc 1, would it?
I remember this has happened with other TV series where there was an initial release of individual seasons, each with its own UPC, and then later a complete series with only the box itself having its own UPC. I don't remember how this was handled, however. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I would say unfortunately the current profile has to remain a season-level profile. I don't own these discs so don't know what state they're in at the moment. But I suppose what you could do is backup your disc-level profile then add the cast and crew from the other discs and submit it with all the information on it. Then simply restore your profile. That way, all the up-to-date info you've done will be available online. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: I have a quandry. I have done child profiles for Six Feet Under: The Complete Second (and Third) Season including cast and crew which I want to contribute. My problem is that there are already parent profiles online which use the Disc 1 Disc ID for the entire season.
Apparently when Six Feet Under: The Complete Series was contributed, the contributor used the Disc ID from Disc 1 to be the parent profile for that season.
I did the inital contribution for the seasons of the complete serie. Unfortunately, the individual seasons don't have a UPC in this nice big boxset. So I had to use the disc ID. Unless Ken could somehow allow a duplicate discID, I have no idea how the two profiles could co-exist in the database. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | As far as I know, the usage of the disc 1 Id for a season overrules that for the actual disc.
I asked back when I got my very first complete series box (Babylon 5). | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tarantino: Quote: Quoting kdh1949:
Quote: I have a quandry. I have done child profiles for Six Feet Under: The Complete Second (and Third) Season including cast and crew which I want to contribute. My problem is that there are already parent profiles online which use the Disc 1 Disc ID for the entire season.
Apparently when Six Feet Under: The Complete Series was contributed, the contributor used the Disc ID from Disc 1 to be the parent profile for that season.
I did the inital contribution for the seasons of the complete serie. Unfortunately, the individual seasons don't have a UPC in this nice big boxset. So I had to use the disc ID.
Unless Ken could somehow allow a duplicate discID, I have no idea how the two profiles could co-exist in the database. I think what I will do is take Northbloke's suggestion and add all the cast & crew for discs 2 thru 5 to my disc 1 profile and contribute it. I will only contibute cast and crew and leave the other fields in the existing profile alone. As far as the CAST credits go, you didn't show them at the episode level so my contribution will be an improvement. With respect to the CAST credits, your contribution doesn't comply with the rule that says "Do not list Cast and Crew outside of the dividers even if they are credited in all episodes." Other corrections: Rachel Griffiths is credited as "Brenda" only -- she's the only principal cast member with a credit, so using "Brenda Chenowith" is incorrect. Freddy Rodriguez is NOT credited as Freddy Rodríguez in any season -- and the CLT shows Rodriguez (121/211) vs Rodríguez (112/230). And Nicki Micheaux is credited as "Karla" not "Karia." For my local profile, I'll delete everything but the Disc 1 info. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | When I encounter this problrm, if there is an existing UPC for each season in the online db I use them. If not I use a manual entry, but don't contribute it.
The Disc IDs should apply to to a disc profile and not to a set or a series, that's how we get into these problems.
My season two is as follows (the UPCs are visible on the back cover scan), note the use of volume numbers in the title. Ordered from Amazon June 11, 2004, release date July 6, 2004 Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: UPC 026359889226 Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Volume 1: UPC 026359028922 Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Volume 2: UPC 026359029028 Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Volume 3: UPC 026359029127 Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Volume 4: UPC 026359029226 Six Feet Under: The Complete Second Season: Volume 5: UPC 026359080722 | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | @Srehtims I don't doubt what you have, but all the evidence I've seen to date, including the DVD Talk Review from June 21, 2004, says about Season 2 Quote: Each of the 5 discs has a beautiful image of a character from the show on the cover, and they snap into a standard 5-panel cardboard foldout. So I don't know where there would be any UPCs for each volume (The DVDs themselves just say "Disc 1" through "Disc 5" as there's no back cover on mine that shows your UPCs. I'm afraid the way your set is put together doesn't help me very much. None of the existing profiles in the online database line up with your version of Season 2. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
With respect to the CAST credits, your contribution doesn't comply with the rule that says "Do not list Cast and Crew outside of the dividers even if they are credited in all episodes."
Other corrections: Rachel Griffiths is credited as "Brenda" only -- she's the only principal cast member with a credit, so using "Brenda Chenowith" is incorrect. Freddy Rodriguez is NOT credited as Freddy Rodríguez in any season -- and the CLT shows Rodriguez (121/211) vs Rodríguez (112/230). And Nicki Micheaux is credited as "Karla" not "Karia."
For my local profile, I'll delete everything but the Disc 1 info. Keep in mind these were maid before the new rules concerning Cast & dividers and before the CLT was created. | | | Last edited: by tarantino |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | I will contribute them, so you can take a gander at them. Considering the date I bought it maybe they, the distributors thought they were going sell them separately, who knows. Checking out Amazon's web,they did. Here is an example of what they look likeYou can clearly see the UPC number. IMHOP series 2 & 3 came out before the complete series, so they take prescience. As someone who usually pre-orders most of their DVDs, this is a continuing problem see. people changing covers and price with later release data. And that is against the rules. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tarantino: Quote: Keep in mind these were maid before the new rules concerning Cast & dividers and before the CLT was created. I didn't mean my comments as a criticism. But since I can add the CREW by episode (and am intending to upload all discs as child profiles for the single season set) I might as well update the cast according to the rules, too. And when I compared my list with yours, I caught a couple of goofs I'd made, too. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Srehtims: Quote: I will contribute them, so you can take a gander at them. Considering the date I bought it maybe they m the distributors thought they were going sell them separately, who knows. Checking out Amazon's web,they sid. Here is an example of what they look like
You can clearly see the UPC number. You probably should contribute them since you're probably not the only one who has that variant. Quote: IMHOP series 2 & 3 came out before the complete series, so they take prescience.
As someone who usually pre-orders most of their DVDs, this is a continuing problem see. people changing covers and price with later release data. And that is against the rules. If you mean changing correct covers and price with RE-release data, I agree with you. But if you mean changing pre-release covers and pre-release prices I disagree. Pre-release data is just that -- pre-RELEASE. If it's been changed before the actual release, it should be corrected in Profiler. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: Quoting tarantino:
Quote: Keep in mind these were maid before the new rules concerning Cast & dividers and before the CLT was created. I didn't mean my comments as a criticism. But since I can add the CREW by episode (and am intending to upload all discs as child profiles for the single season set) I might as well update the cast according to the rules, too. And when I compared my list with yours, I caught a couple of goofs I'd made, too. Thanks! I'm sure evryone will welcome all that hard work. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: I would say unfortunately the current profile has to remain a season-level profile. I have to agree; Season level takes precedence over the optional 'child disc level' profiles IMO | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
Quote: I would say unfortunately the current profile has to remain a season-level profile.
I have to agree; Season level takes precedence over the optional 'child disc level' profiles IMO What would your answer have been if I had gotten there first with the child level profiles -- i.e., before the "Complete Series" set was released. I would have uploaded Disc 1 of Season 2 by its Disc ID. This would be done according to the rules. Are you saying that when someone else comes along later to contribute the "Complete Series" disc (Season2) his data should overwrite what I had submitted as the child profile S2D1 with the whole profile of S2? This doesn't seem right, either. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: What would your answer have been if I had gotten there first with the child level profiles -- i.e., before the "Complete Series" set was released. I would have uploaded Disc 1 of Season 2 by its Disc ID. This would be done according to the rules. Are you saying that when someone else comes along later to contribute the "Complete Series" disc (Season2) his data should overwrite what I had submitted as the child profile S2D1 with the whole profile of S2? This doesn't seem right, either. It may not be "fair", but for me the Season level profile has to take precedence over the child level profile in this situation. Not everyone cares about disc level profiles, but probably most (notice I didn't say all) people who use disc level profiles also have the parent profile in their collectionl. Since the parent is virtually universally used, it seems to me that it would be imperative to use the Disc ID for the parent profile over the child in these cases. This situation has been identified as a huge "hole" in DVDP for quite some (since the advent of child profiles), and Ken really needs to put his thinking cap on to come up with a viable way of dealing with these. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ken:
This sounds like something that Ken may have to deal with, he may very well have to make special allownce, which he can do to allow the child profile to be accepted. I think the child level profile should take preference over the Season, but i also think that Ken has the ability to allow it for both.
Get in touch with him and explain it.
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